SkyWest pilot pay package

BTW, I have never been impressed with anyone at the VP level of a Regional Airline or above.

There is a reason they are in those jobs.
 
Seggy said:
BTW, I have never been impressed with anyone at the VP level of a Regional Airline or above.

There is a reason they are in those jobs.
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I think the current Association leadership are vying for those types of positions once the current folks leave.
 
Seggy said:
BTW, I have never been impressed with anyone at the VP level of a Regional Airline or above.

There is a reason they are in those jobs.
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Our VP of flight ops is pretty sharp. He inherited a pretty big poo sammich, but I honestly believe that if he can't sort it out, nobody can...though that is a very real possibility.

Though I agree with you. He can do better and I'm sure he will move on to a real airline.
 
UAL747400 said:
Money?
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No, cause uncle Gordan buys it for you.....

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Screaming_Emu said:
Our VP of flight ops is pretty sharp. He inherited a pretty big poo sammich, but I honestly believe that if he can't sort it out, nobody can...though that is a very real possibility.

Though I agree with you. He can do better and I'm sure he will move on to a real airline.
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Yeah, good guy, sharp, honest, and likes pilots. Seems to be getting things in the right direction.
He was the one who made the comment in AQP about the days of concessionary contracts for pilots being over. I'm surprised he wasn't "disappeared" after that statement to a room full of pilots.

As apposed to a previous DO who, in response to a question from a pilot in recurrent stated "Well, that is how we did things at Braniff and TWA, so that's how we will do it here." Everyone just kind of looked at each other in disbelief.
 
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Seggy said:
BTW, I have never been impressed with anyone at the VP level of a Regional Airline or above.

There is a reason they are in those jobs.
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I don't know... I've seen a few pretty good VPs of Flight Ops out there. PSA had one who would screw over the entire pilot group, but would have the decency to tell you to your face that he was going to do it. He retired and was replaced by a guy who was really good . I worked with him through the contract negotiations and was pretty much always impressed with his take on things. Unfortunately he died (very young) right after the contract was signed. The guy they replaced him with was so so. Not sure what the status of things is now.

Our VP out here is... interesting.
 
BobDDuck said:
I don't know... I've seen a few pretty good VPs of Flight Ops out there. PSA had one who would screw over the entire pilot group, but would have the decency to tell you to your face that he was going to do it. He retired and was replaced by a guy who was really good . I worked with him through the contract negotiations and was pretty much always impressed with his take on things. Unfortunately he died (very young) right after the contract was signed. The guy they replaced him with was so so. Not sure what the status of things is now.
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Oh, let me be clearer....I can't respect or trust anyone who feels that it is acceptable to be a VP of Flight Operations or higher in management at a Regional/Fee for Departure Airline.

VP of Flight Operations (or above the corporate ladder) at a Legacy/Major? Absolutely I respect and trust them.

I didn't get into this career to be a big fish in a smaller pond at a Regional/Fee for Departure Airline. I am doubtful anyone got into this career to do that, but they had a hunger for power and weaseled their way into that role. I view them as folks who couldn't go anywhere else, opportunists and/or incompetent. Now, I know some came from a major back to a regional, but those are in the vast minority.

Comparing the VP of Flight Operations at Colgan, Pinnacle, and Mesaba compared to the VP of Flight Ops at Spirit or the place I am at now is like comparing a 5th Grade Pop Warner QB to Aaron Rodgers.
 
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BobDDuck said:
Yes. The company may choose to honor the vote of the pilot group but there is no legal requirement they do so.
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actually there is. During the alpa drive we sued Skywest and the judge ruled the sapa rules were a binding agreement. Whether it's enforced or not is another issue.
 
BobDDuck said:
If corporate HQ is in a city you want to live in, not too many aviation jobs have you home every night and starting at 6 figures.
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I still don't buy that.

I (and I am sure many others on here) got into the 121 world to move up the food chain to a major/legacy. I don't trust folks who go the upper level management route at a regional/FFDC. There is more to life than making six figures at a FFDC Carrier.
 
Seggy said:
Oh, let me be clearer....I can't respect or trust anyone who feels that it is acceptable to be a VP of Flight Operations or higher in management at a Regional/Fee for Departure Airline.
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Oh, good grief, not everyone has to have the same career aspirations as you. This sort of blanket rejection of people, not based upon their actions but instead based upon their mere position, is ridiculous.

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actually there is. During the alpa drive we sued Skywest and the judge ruled the sapa rules were a binding agreement. Whether it's enforced or not is another issue.
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That's incorrect. Nothing in that case determined that there was a binding agreement between the pilots and Skywest. You have to understand that there's a difference between a binding contract and a duty to not interfere with organizing. Skywest is prohibited from taking actions that would be considered retaliation for a union drive (such as unilaterally changing terms of employment purely to punish employees for an organizing drive), but they are free to adjust terms of employment outside of that protection.
 
Seggy said:
I still don't buy that.

I (and I am sure many others on here) got into the 121 world to move up the food chain to a major/legacy. I don't trust folks who go the upper level management route at a regional/FFDC. There is more to life than making six figures at a FFDC Carrier.
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Maybe that was the plan, but along the way something worked for what they needed. Do you not trust regional lifers?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Oh, good grief, not everyone has to have the same career aspirations as you. This sort of blanket rejection of people, not based upon their actions but instead based upon their mere position, is ridiculous.
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You have to remember I had the unique position of being exposed to three management teams at the regional level. Even one of the supposed the 'crown jewels' of regionals.

I was extraordinarily under impressed by all three high level management teams. It was quite clear they were in their positions for a reason and it wasn't because they were the most qualified.

Are the ok ones out there? Probably. Doesn't mean I respect or trust them.


That's incorrect. Nothing in that case determined that there was a binding agreement between the pilots and Skywest. You have to understand that there's a difference between a binding contract and a duty to not interfere with organizing. Skywest is prohibited from taking actions that would be considered retaliation for a union drive (such as unilaterally changing terms of employment purely to punish employees for an organizing drive), but they are free to adjust terms of employment outside of that protection.
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Agree with you here.
 
scooter2525 said:
Maybe that was the plan, but along the way something worked for what they needed. Do you not trust regional lifers?
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Things do happen I get that. Trust them? They didn't go to management...When dealing with the line pilot lifers different type of angst I had...

Three specific examples. I was in MSP years before the merger trying to get home to Austin. The flight was a turn by a senior Mesaba cockpit crew. I checked in with the gate an hour before push, spoke to the Captain 50 minutes prior. It was clear he was senior, never commuted, and didn't really care I was jumpseating. Ten minutes prior to push the gate agent clears me but then gets a call from the Captain in the jetway. He said the O2 isn't good for a jumpseater.

Fine, no problem, however you had 40 minutes to take care of it and then if you aren't going to take someone be a professional about it and come up and explain. Don't have the gate agent handle it. Point I'm making is I've had one jumpseat denial in 10 years of flying. While it was valid, I would have tried to fix it, if I wasn't able to I would go up in person and explain. However, It was done by one who hasn't been exposed to the plight of a jumpseater because they were in their little comfort zone.

Second one deals with a long time union volunteer who would say the last plane he wanted to be current in was the Avro. That is bullcrap. While this gentleman did a great job over the years defending pilots, he ran over to management when he realized his union position was up and he would actually need to fly the line full time.


Finally, look at the stalemate at XJT/ASA. IMHO a big issue with those negotiations are the lifers at the respective airlines.

So while things do happen, I do have my viewpoint.

Now I am friends with two senior Envoy pilots and I trust and respect them to the utmost. They get it. But no all lifers do.
 
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Why not? You sound like a real • here. People don't have to make the same career choices as you. A good person is a good person, and they should be respected regardless of position.
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I've been called worse.

Once again, I am talking about folks in high level management positions are regionals. I don't trust them or respect them.
 
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