Skywest pilot antics in IAH

Autothrust Blue said:
Sometimes, it's not "can't hack it," it's "mayn't hack it."

If I go get a wheelchair at LAX T6/7/8, I'm technically violating the scope clause of Airserv's CBA. No matter how crappy a job they do, I'm not supposed to do their job for them. (Even when they don't do their job at all, which is terrifyingly regular.)
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It's not your CBA. The human in you and the fact that you're not a bumbling idiot takes over, you get wheel chair and everyone is on their merry way. Then air serve shows up 20 minutes later ready to do their job.
 
GypsyPilot summed up my feelings on this topic pretty succinctly in all of his posts. I would only add that the attitude of some people in here about not doing anything when it's not your job is a HUGE factor in the overall crappy customer service that passengers are subjected to in their travels. I know that's what I hate about airline travel.

Yeah, don't ride the belt loader. But anger at someone for making an effort to minimize passenger delays is crazy to me. I used to be a ramper as well as a corporate pilot (as well as 135 cargo), so lifting bags doesn't make me worry in the slightest about potential OJIs. I'll check for the disapproving stares of my crew members the next time I help with bags. :rolleyes:
 
flyinggreasemnky said:
The real question is will the TSA go after the pilot for bypassing the security door on the jet bridge. They will probably launch a million dollar investigation into this security breach.
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As opposed to my every-three-months shouting/pantomime that occurs at the top of the jetbridge stairs when they change the cipher locks and I don't know the new code...
 
Autothrust Blue said:
As opposed to my every-three-months shouting/pantomime that occurs at the top of the jetbridge stairs when they change the cipher locks and I don't know the new code...
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I still have guys that point at the door and go "xyz, right?"

"Dude... That was like 3 years ago"
 
JordanD said:
I still have guys that point at the door and go "xyz, right?"

"Dude... That was like 3 years ago"
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I really wish that there was one SIDA issuing authority for the whole country. Put a prox card in the badges and a card reader in the jet bridge, give flight crews unlock access to all jet bridges, maybe with an individual PIN so that it's two-factor and can be audited...
 
I agree with this Cal Goat. OJI, security door, union labor issues, laziness, etc... None of that matters in this incident. He is taking the risk and not getting covered by riding the belt loader. He is taking the risk of not getting covered for slinging bags. That is his risk to help himself or the company, whatever his own motives are.

The main problem that is hardly being touched on is that people are watching. One of the acts looks courteous, professional, and will help gain customers respect and have a more positive outlook on airline travel. The other while fun, looks slightly dangerous, careless and barbaric in the public eye. This does not provide a positive outlook on our profession and to a certain extent makes people think twice about who is at the controls. That is the only problem.

That being said, if no one thought negatively on me, I would be riding the belt loader all the time because it looks like a portable moving walkway, which I love to ride as well.
 
For those of you that say slinging bags doesn't help you in any way, think of it this way. The flight is running late, you run out, talk to the rampers who explain they have been dogging it and offer to help them move a couple bags. I'm not saying go for the ones that are bigger than you, but a few small ones that help speed things up a bit. While doing so, passengers on the plane see this, maybe a quick PA is made by another crew member apologizing for the inconvenience and that one of the pilots has gone outside to see if he can speed things up a bit. Now more passengers see you helping and it eases their frustration just a bit knowing people are trying to get them out. Now you have made life easier on the FA's that have to deal with frustrated passengers, in turn making things easier on you. Meanwhile, people in the terminal see this and are subconsciously or maybe even consciously impressed that the company is going above and beyond.

I'm not saying this will happen every time or you should do or be expected to do this every time but it can help you indirectly as much as you may think it doesn't.
 
Cal Goat said:
GypsyPilot summed up my feelings on this topic pretty succinctly in all of his posts. I would only add that the attitude of some people in here about not doing anything when it's not your job is a HUGE factor in the overall crappy customer service that passengers are subjected to in their travels. I know that's what I hate about airline travel.

Yeah, don't ride the belt loader. But anger at someone for making an effort to minimize passenger delays is crazy to me. I used to be a ramper as well as a corporate pilot (as well as 135 cargo), so lifting bags doesn't make me worry in the slightest about potential OJIs. I'll check for the disapproving stares of my crew members the next time I help with bags. :rolleyes:
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I was a ramper and wasn't too worried either... Until I had an OJI lifting bags.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Right there folks, is the kind of mentality that makes the average joe hate unions these days. I would say unbelievable, but unfortunately I've seen it before. Just sad.
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I disagree, and this is why.

Every company I've worked for tells us to "go the extra mile for our customers" but they, so far, have been very specific about what's covered and what isn't if you get an OJI. Airplanes, ramps, equipment, etc are dangerous places. If you get run over by a wayward catering truck and you're within the "shadow" of the aircraft, ok. Outside of the "shadow" of the aircraft doing things outside of your job scope, hope you have enough sick time.

We all work for medium and large-sized corporations where the corporation will protect itself, first. They're legally obligated to their board of directors to follow procedure in order to maximize shareholder value and, at the end of the day, no matter how many free pizza days, "Come on down to the lounge for a chat with management", pins, promotions, etc, you are low on the food chain.

You have to do your job and also protect yourselves.

Here's another example (see note). If we have dirty windshields, it's reported to maintenance and put into the logbook. Some guys will go 'above and beyond' and try to clean it themselves, but one day someone fell out of the window and was seriously injured.

OJI? Nope.

That companies only obligation was to wish the pilot well.

And I'll bet you between the time off work and medical bills, that became a 'lifestyle changing moment'.

Don't be that guy.
 
Unless I missed something, at the very beginning he's not even loading bags, he appears to be "supervising" which is even worse.

Had the APU deferred one day in GSP. The captain was a dingleberry wanted me to go down and "supervise" them hooking up the external air conditioning. I told him I didn't even know how to hook it up myself so I wouldn't do much good. He told me "having someone with stripes on makes things go faster and he insisted I go.

I went down, told the rampers "hey guys, I think you guys are doing an awesome job, but captain numb nuts up there wants me to supervise." *waves at captain and gives the ok hand gesture. Man I hate not being in charge sometimes.
 
Whatever your thoughts are on assisting w/bags I think we all agree that riding the belt loader is dumb.

I don't know why the guy was filming though...What some other guy wants to do matters little to me provided he's not hurting anyone. The filmer does sound like a little snot.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Right there folks, is the kind of mentality that makes the average joe hate unions these days. I would say unbelievable, but unfortunately I've seen it before. Just sad.
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Yeah, it's such a horrible thing for unions to try to protect their jobs. :sarcasm:

Perhaps the "average joe" should realize that if he had a union protecting his job in such a way, that he wouldn't be out there looking for work along with 15% of the rest of the population while their former employer is raking in record profits and the CEO is making 450 times the amount of money of his average worker. But hey, that CEO has earned that 450 salary multiple, I suppose, since he's managed to increase productivity many times over by convincing people like you to "go the extra mile" and do someone else's job.
 
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