Skywest pilot antics in IAH

ClarkGriswold said:
What an idiot, there's nothing wrong with helping out within your duties but then you get these tool bags who go way over the line thinking their one stupid act will save the company millions or in Skywests case obtain more flying. Does Skywest have a medal for these types of overachievers?
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Nice. This is the kind of attitude that makes corporate guys think 121 pilots are a poor fit in a corporate environment. When I flew charter and corporate, dealing with bags and high levels of customer service were part of my job. Now that I fly 121, they aren't. But I still try to help out when I can, and yes I do strive to be an overachiever at work. "Not my job!" Is simply not part of my vocabulary, regardless of what I'm doing.

That being said, riding an actual belt loader is entirely different. It looks unprofessional and compromises safety. It is not acceptable, and hopefully somebody is able to take the guy in the video aside and talk to him.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Nice. This is the kind of attitude that makes corporate guys think 121 pilots are a poor fit in a corporate environment. When I flew charter and corporate, dealing with bags and high levels of customer service were part of my job. Now that I fly 121, they aren't. But I still try to help out when I can, and yes I do strive to be an overachiever at work. "Not my job!" Is simply not part of my vocabulary, regardless of what I'm doing.

That being said, riding an actual belt loader is entirely different. It looks unprofessional and compromises safety. It is not acceptable, and hopefully somebody is able to take the guy in the video aside and talk to him.
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Good thing I have known since I started flying that I had 0 interest in corporate ;) Also I know all about the importance of customer service since my degree is heavily involved in that. Like others have said though, doing jobs outside your own and getting hurt = not good. Which I was agreeing with.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Nice. This is the kind of attitude that makes corporate guys think 121 pilots are a poor fit in a corporate environment. When I flew charter and corporate, dealing with bags and high levels of customer service were part of my job. Now that I fly 121, they aren't. But I still try to help out when I can, and yes I do strive to be an overachiever at work. "Not my job!" Is simply not part of my vocabulary, regardless of what I'm doing.
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This is why so many guys who have only flown corporate burn out at an airline in such a hurry. IT'S NOT YOUR JOB is something that's very hard to hear if you have the mentality that every aspect of the customer's experience is your job. The reality is that in the 121 world it's not.

Also, as far as I know the ramp in Houston is unionized. Kind of sucks that this FO is stepping in on another work groups job. You do that in some stronger unionized places (PHL and PIT come to mind) and you may get yourself a beat down.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Nice. This is the kind of attitude that makes corporate guys think 121 pilots are a poor fit in a corporate environment. When I flew charter and corporate, dealing with bags and high levels of customer service were part of my job. Now that I fly 121, they aren't. But I still try to help out when I can, and yes I do strive to be an overachiever at work. "Not my job!" Is simply not part of my vocabulary, regardless of what I'm doing.

That being said, riding an actual belt loader is entirely different. It looks unprofessional and compromises safety. It is not acceptable, and hopefully somebody is able to take the guy in the video aside and talk to him.
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Two totally different jobs. There aren't baggage handlers at most of the places corporate guys go. That's why you throw bags. Secondly, your corporate outfit would more than likely pay for your OJI if you got hurt throwing bags in Show Low, AZ. Not the case for airline pilots.
 
BobDDuck said:
This is why so many guys who have only flown corporate burn out at an airline in such a hurry. IT'S NOT YOUR JOB is something that's very hard to hear if you have the mentality that every aspect of the customer's experience is your job. The reality is that in the 121 world it's not.

Also, as far as I know the ramp in Houston is unionized. Kind of sucks that this FO is stepping in on another work groups job. You do that in some stronger unionized places (PHL and PIT come to mind) and you may get yourself a beat down.
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They are unionized. Just like they were in IAD. When they were in the middle of negotiations it was SLOW I didn't get mad because I knew what the deal was. Do not do someone else's job is what I'm getting at I guess.
 
BobDDuck said:
This is why so many guys who have only flown corporate burn out at an airline in such a hurry. IT'S NOT YOUR JOB is something that's very hard to hear if you have the mentality that every aspect of the customer's experience is your job. The reality is that in the 121 world it's not.

Also, as far as I know the ramp in Houston is unionized. Kind of sucks that this FO is stepping in on another work groups job. You do that in some stronger unionized places (PHL and PIT come to mind) and you may get yourself a beat down.
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I haven't noticed anybody with a corporate background getting burned out at the airlines, but if that makes you feel better I guess... I think that's just as foolish of a statement as when some (ignorant) corporate types say airline guys can't hack it. I'll let you know what it comes down to as far as success in both industries - the person. Hopefully you learn that eventually, might save you some heartache someday.

Now I certainly don't make a habit of always helping with bags or other tasks like assisting the FA with crossing seatbelts, or assisting pax (hold on to you hat, I've even pushed pax in wheelchairs!). But the times I have done this, I've pretty much always received a "Thanks for the help!"

No doubt there are places where help isn't wanted, and it's usually pretty easy to tell (PIT and IAD come to mind). But when the ground folks are genuinely busting ass, and have a good attitude, a little bit of help is likely going to be appreciated.

I guess it's just a sign of the times when a guy that is just trying to help is met with such vitriol.
 
Is he really that out of shape that he couldn't walk to the stairs, scale the stairs, and use the proper door code to walk to the cockpit and continue his assignment that he needed to ride the belt loaded?

What a retard. Yup, I said it. And a lazy sack of donkey urine.
 
The commentary is that of an XJT crew. It's embarrassing. It surely doesn't represent the whole XJT pilot group. I can certainly understand the need to get it done. We're outcome based thinkers; we want to get the job done. Last year in IAD (go home day) we had a lady in a wheel chair on our plane. Called for a WC 3 times in range and when on the ground. We parked, and waited 25 minutes... The chair never showed. The lady had to use the restroom and she and the person traveling with her didn't want to use the airplane lav. So I walked up to the gate area, brought out a chair and helped her off the plane and into the terminal. Smart idea? Probably not and I usually wouldn't do that, but I just couldn't stand waiting any longer because the IAD rampers are incapable of doing their jobs. People can't pull their own weight these days, it's pathetic.
 
surreal1221 said:
Is he really that out of shape that he couldn't walk to the stairs, scale the stairs, and use the proper door code to walk to the cockpit and continue his assignment that he needed to ride the belt loaded?

What a retard. Yup, I said it. And a lazy sack of donkey urine.
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The belt loader is more difficult to walk up, and a lot more fun. ;)
 
Those IAH XJT folks love their hater tots. I wouldnt worry SKW people, they act like that to other XJT folks. Good thing its only a small majority of them who are always in need of a fresh diaper changing.
 
dasleben said:
Didn't see anything out of the ordinary, except for riding the belt loader up. I've thrown bags once or twice at XJT, and definitely threw bags at Cape.
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Sometimes, it's not "can't hack it," it's "mayn't hack it."

If I go get a wheelchair at LAX T6/7/8, I'm technically violating the scope clause of Airserv's CBA. No matter how crappy a job they do, I'm not supposed to do their job for them. (Even when they don't do their job at all, which is terrifyingly regular.)
 
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