Skywest, ASA, Expressjet Merger?

So . . . is it official that non-votes don't count as no's anymore? They just count the votes that are cast? That went through already???
 
surreal1221 said:
Snow, you may want to check out the new representational voting requirements. No more counting non-votes as a No.
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I'm not trying to change the topic of this thread. But a non-vote is a "I don't care to vote." I think the majority of those would be no votes.

I definatly share your concerns with this whole situation. Having just gone through requal, it concerns me that a furlough is around the corner.
 
pat84106 said:
We've always had a fair vote, the new rules are unfair.
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No, the apathetic vote counting as 'no' vote was most certainly unfair. Now the apathetic non-vote counts as it should. Nothing. The new rule is 100% fair.

I'm not worried because most people who voted for the union in 07 aren’t here anymore and those who voted against it are still here. If the vote were taken again today I bet it would be less than 40% for the union and above 45% against. We may never know because Alpa has said they have no desire to try again at skywest.
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I would argue the opposite. There are a bunch of us still here that voted yes, and a lot who voted 'no' have changed their minds or are now on the fence. Don't be so certain.

We will probably get a big raise to keep us in sync with asa and we will benefit from any kind of issues. Let us not ruin a good thing we have going here by inviting in union to ravage our seniority list.
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Can I have a puff on your Kool-Aid filled crack pipe please? ;)

I would honestly like to know how you can be so chipper after all the losses we have suffered and continue to lose? No, unions are not the knight in shining armor but having a legally certified contract and separate representation from management is a good thing. Look at the big picture, the industry is more than our pilot group and if we continue to be selfish we will pay the consequences one way or another.
 
pat84106 said:
To all the people saying there will be a petition filed. Maybe you should talk to your reps because XJT mec has said that what skywest did was legal and there is nothing they can do.
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Link? I've seen nothing of the sort. XJT's scope clause is pretty solid, and (like others have said) is one of the reasons the merger stalled last time. Suddenly, the language doesn't apply anymore? I find that incredibly hard to believe. XJT has been purchased by another company, and that will trigger the succesorship clauses in their contract. Last time I checked, they were pretty solid. I could easily see a single carrier petition coming down from this.

As for the new rules, just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them "unfair." If someone doesn't care enough to vote one way or the other, they shouldn't automatically be counted as a "no" vote. If it worked that way in normal politics, nothing would ever pass since a lot of people simply don't vote. Imagine if when we voted for president the people that didn't vote at all were automatically counted for the incumbent. Would that be fair? Essentially, that's what the old rules had during a union vote. If you didn't already have a union, the people that didn't vote were counted as votes for the incumbent, ie the non-union stance. Now, if you don't care enough to vote one way or the other, the system assumes you don't care one way or the other.

Now, for the "super regionals." Anyone that thinks things are gonna get better simply because competition has gone down is fooling themselves. Companies will still do just what the contracts say and no more. We'll still have to bargain for every ounce of increase in QoL, and management will still cry "poor" any time improvements are asked for. The past several contracts have not been awarded to who was the cheapest operator, so the whole argument for that is out the window. At best, you get 10 years more stability out of CAL. We didn't even get that out of Delta when Pinnacle Holdings bought Mesaba. You've still got the main players gunning for contracts in the end. Plus, unless the lists are united, a gain for Skywest does not necessarily mean a gain for AtlanticJetSouthest. Look at Trans States. GoJets benefited greatly from United contracts, but TSA furloughed. Unless you've got a scope clause that prevents that, being owned by the same holding company plus $2 gets you a cup of coffee. I just hope that CAL/UAL hangs on to the CAL scope. Any more erosion in scope, and these "super regionals" are gonna become "domestic carriers," and as I said before, we'll STILL have to fight for every ounce of QoL improvement. They're not just gonna hand over mainline benefits and pay.
 
FlyChicaga said:
ASA/SKYW, how is your IT department? How long do you have to wait on hold with scheduling? Do you have 8-hour four day trips? If these things improve, I'll go pick up my silver epauletts tomorrow.
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LOL!

They really couldn't do much worse.....could they?
 
What's scary is that now there's a looooooot of airplanes under one umbrella that a large airline has already talked about wanting to get rid of.

Fasten seat belt signs on, batten down the hatches and good luck to us all.
 
Doug Taylor said:
What's scary is that now there's a looooooot of airplanes under one umbrella that a large airline has already talked about wanting to get rid of.

Fasten seat belt signs on, batten down the hatches and good luck to us all.
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Combined, looks like they have 496 50 seaters. I'd be a little nervous.
 
Doug Taylor said:
What's scary is that now there's a looooooot of airplanes under one umbrella that a large airline has already talked about wanting to get rid of.

Fasten seat belt signs on, batten down the hatches and good luck to us all.
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So you're saying skip college and spend your career as an RJ pilot right?
 
MikeD said:
Looks regionals are headed that way.
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I hope you are wrong but it seems to have been heading that way for a while now. I'm not convinced that this news makes it any more or less likely than it was. I actually tend to agree with those that say there is potential here for a few positives....unionizing Skywest, one list among the three carriers, and I still believe reducing competition in the regional market through consolidation is a good thing in some ways for the pilots at major airlines. Obviously many will disagree with this.
 
dasleben said:
I don't understand why there are standard line pilots like you who are so anti-union. Don't you realize that unless you're in upper management, unions are beneficial to you?

If you're in the lower-middle or middle-class, union representation does much more good for you than it does bad.
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It's the Utah effect. The culture here teaches people to not question authority. You can guess why.
 
Doug Taylor said:
What's scary is that now there's a looooooot of airplanes under one umbrella that a large airline has already talked about wanting to get rid of.

Fasten seat belt signs on, batten down the hatches and good luck to us all.
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Well if you read the Boyd Group (which I know you do) you know that when SkyWest purchased ASA they said that SKW was positioning themselves to be the last SJP standing in the Delta system. Now they are following through on the new United side.
 
Buddy at SkyWest is hearing strong rumors that Mesa is next. XJT to the ASA side, Mesa to the SkyWest side. This would be a disaster for SKW F/Os because they're hearing that Mesa Captains will go to the bottom of the list, but maintain their Captain status. Meaning no upgrades in the forseeable future for SKW F/Os. Opinions? Denials? Deals on bridge stock?
 
Doug Taylor said:
What's scary is that now there's a looooooot of airplanes under one umbrella that a large airline has already talked about wanting to get rid of.

Fasten seat belt signs on, batten down the hatches and good luck to us all.
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That's the biggest question over here at ASA and the company response has been that this merger comes with a contract for all the current airplanes for 10 years.
 
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