Skywest, ASA, Expressjet Merger?

Buddy at SkyWest is hearing strong rumors that Mesa is next. XJT to the ASA side, Mesa to the SkyWest side. This would be a disaster for SKW F/Os because they're hearing that Mesa Captains will go to the bottom of the list, but maintain their Captain status. Meaning no upgrades in the forseeable future for SKW F/Os. Opinions? Denials? Deals on bridge stock?

Awww heck, since we are playing the rumor thing. I have heard that the only clause in Mesa's contract regarding an aquisition is that pilots will get preferential hiring at the company that buys them. Perhaps someone could verify that. With regard to the SKYW / MESA rumor, I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Buddy at SkyWest is hearing strong rumors that Mesa is next. XJT to the ASA side, Mesa to the SkyWest side. This would be a disaster for SKW F/Os because they're hearing that Mesa Captains will go to the bottom of the list, but maintain their Captain status. Meaning no upgrades in the forseeable future for SKW F/Os. Opinions? Denials? Deals on bridge stock?

Yes, Yes, and OH YES! Actually what I have been hearing is that Skywest is getting stapled 80's style to the bottom of Mesa.
 
Awww heck, since we are playing the rumor thing. I have heard that the only clause in Mesa's contract regarding an aquisition is that pilots will get preferential hiring at the company that buys them. Perhaps someone could verify that. With regard to the SKYW / MESA rumor, I'll believe it when I see it.

That is not true. Rock solid successorship language waa acquired in the Freedom contract of 2003 since it was thought that it was part and parcel of scope. If You want to read it it is right here: http://www.mesapilots.com/documents/contract.pdf

It is under scope in section 1.

That language might make someone decide against purchasing Mesa. For one, it forbids asset transfers, forbids any Mesa pilot from being furloughed as a result of a successorship transaction, requires an Allegheny-Mohawk style SLI, and the association must have 45 days notice.
 
As far as the Mesa being next rumor... Maybe. I doubt they're in negotiations right now. It will have to wait and see how well Mesa emerges from bankruptcy. To buy them before SKYW would have to submit it's own plan of reorganization to the court and it might be more costly than swooping up the leaner post bankruptcy 700/900 operator that Mesa is becoming.
 
That is not true. Rock solid successorship language waa acquired in the Freedom contract of 2003 since it was thought that it was part and parcel of scope. If You want to read it it is right here: http://www.mesapilots.com/documents/contract.pdf

It is under scope in section 1.

That language might make someone decide against purchasing Mesa. For one, it forbids asset transfers, forbids any Mesa pilot from being furloughed as a result of a successorship transaction, requires an Allegheny-Mohawk style SLI, and the association must have 45 days notice.
All well and good, except for that whole "career expectations" thing. Mesa is a sinking ship, everyone there has zero career expectations.
 
New CPA with Continental adds 15 growth airplanes. Probably why XJT is recalling 48.

Once again I am glad ASA is joining forces with an exceptional airline like Expressjet. Look forward to the SOC and an industry leading contract.
 
As long as flychicaga will be slingin gear for me with his spikey hair, I'm all for it. Chicks dig spikey hair
 
As long as everyone is throwing the rumors out I guess ill do the same. Today I was told XJET er whoever has Q400's sitting in IAH ready to be put to work for CAL. What a day what day.
 
That is not true. Rock solid successorship language waa acquired in the Freedom contract of 2003 since it was thought that it was part and parcel of scope. If You want to read it it is right here: http://www.mesapilots.com/documents/contract.pdf

It is under scope in section 1.

That language might make someone decide against purchasing Mesa. For one, it forbids asset transfers, forbids any Mesa pilot from being furloughed as a result of a successorship transaction, requires an Allegheny-Mohawk style SLI, and the association must have 45 days notice.

Thanks for that. I heard that the other day and it made me a little curious.
 
As long as flychicaga will be slingin gear for me with his spikey hair, I'm all for it. Chicks dig spikey hair

That's all fine and dandy, but what good will it do you if the ladies are diggin on his spikey hair and you're left rejected in the cold with your unspikey, undesirable locks. And we won't even discuss my hair.
 
That's all fine and dandy, but what good will it do you if the ladies are diggin on his spikey hair and you're left rejected in the cold with your unspikey, undesirable locks. .

Just claim racism......chicks only going after the white boy with spikey hair and all......

:)
 
XJT Contract 2004

D. Successor and Mergers
1. This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the Company
unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor
Act, as amended. For purposes of this paragraph, a successor or assign shall be
defined as an entity which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of
the Company through a single transaction or multi-step related transactions which
close within a 12 month period.

2. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving the transfer of
ownership or control pursuant to a successorship transaction, whether by sale,
transfer or lease of the Company or substantially all of its assets, will be signed or
otherwise entered into unless it is agreed as a material and irrevocable condition
of entering into, concluding and implementing such transaction that the rates of
pay, rules and working conditions set forth in this Agreement will be assumed by
the successor employer and employees on the then current Pilots’ Seniority List
will be employed in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement. The
Company shall give notice of the existence of this Agreement to any purchaser,
transferee, lessee, or assignee of the operation covered by this Agreement or any
substantial part thereof. Such notice shall be in writing, with a copy to the
Association, at the time the seller, transferor, or lessor executes a definitive
agreement with respect to a transaction as herein described.

3. Unless otherwise agreed, the following provisions shall apply in the event of a
successorship transaction in which the successor is an air carrier or an affiliate of
an air carrier, or a transaction in which the Company acquires control of another
air carrier; and

a. The integration of the seniority lists of the respective pilot groups shall be
governed by Association Merger Policy if both pre-transaction pilot
groups are represented by the Association. If the other pre-transaction
group is not represented by the Association, Sections 3 and 13 of the
Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions ("LPP") shall apply. The
successor or Company, as appropriate, shall accept the integrated
seniority list, including any conditions and restrictions, established
through Association merger policy or LPP proceedings, as applicable;
and,

b. The respective pilot collective bargaining agreements shall be merged
into one agreement as the result of negotiations among the pilot groups
and the successor or the Company. If a fully merged agreement is not
executed within 9 months from the date a final and binding integrated
pilot seniority list is issued, the parties shall jointly submit outstanding
issues to binding interest arbitration; and,

c. The aircraft (including orders and options to purchase aircraft) and the
operations of each pre-transaction airline shall remain separated until
such time as both pilots’ seniority lists are integrated and the pilot
collective bargaining agreements are combined in accordance with
paragraphs D.3.a. and D.3.b., above; and,

d. Pending the merger of the pre-transaction carrier and the pilot collective
bargaining agreements and seniority lists, no pilot on the Pilots’ Seniority
List shall be reduced in status or pay category as an effect of the merger,
purchase or acquisition.
 
This is at least partially what stopped Skywest's acquisition of Expressjet 2 years ago (because they didn't want to merge the seniority lists with Skywest), and this letter is still part of the XJT ALPA pilot contract. I know it's long but I think it's relevant to the discussion. I don't see any way that the Skywest pilots won't eventually have to be integrated.

Dear Captains Woerth and Leneski,

This letter will confirm the commitments and obligations of ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. and XJT Holdings, Inc. (hereinafter referred to as “Holdings”) with respect to any and all flying performed by Holdings or any of its affiliates utilizing aircraft greater than 19 passenger seats and whose pilots are covered by the Railway Labor Act (“RLA”). Holdings and the Air Line Pilots Association (“Association” or “ALPA”) agree as follows:

1. Any and all flying performed by or for Holdings or any affiliate of Holdings pursuant to a
code sharing agreement, capacity purchase agreement, special prorate agreement or
similar agreement (“Code Share Agreement”) between Continental Airlines, Inc.
(“Continental”) and Holdings or any of its affiliates utilizing aircraft with greater than 19
passenger seats will be performed by ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. (“ExpressJet” or
“Company”) under the terms of the Agreement between ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. and ALPA
dated December 1, 2004 (“Agreement”).

2. If Holdings creates or establishes an air carrier, including through an existing or new
affiliate, Holdings will ensure that this air carrier recognizes ALPA as the representative of
its pilots consistent with the RLA, that the air carrier adopts a collective bargaining
agreement identical to the Agreement and that all flying by or for the air carrier will be
performed by pilots on the ExpressJet Pilot Seniority List (the “Pilots’ Seniority List”). Filling
of vacancy and displacement rights for such pilots at the new air carrier will be established
by mutual agreement between ALPA, ExpressJet and the new air carrier, provided that if
an agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date the affiliate was created or
established, the parties shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies
and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration.

3. As a material and irrevocable condition of entering into an agreement for the acquisition or control of an air carrier or affiliate of an air carrier that operates pursuant to any Code Share Agreement providing feed flying for another carrier, Holdings will ensure that, subsequent to the acquisition:

a. The acquired air carrier does not enter into any new Code Share Agreement
unless the Code Share Agreement(s) in existence at the time of the acquisition is
terminated by the acquired air carrier’s Code Share Agreement partner;

b. ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier accept and implement an integrated pilot
seniority list produced pursuant to:

i. ALPA Merger Policy, if the pilots of the acquired air carrier are
represented by the Association or

ii. Section 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions, if
the pilots of the acquired air carrier are not represented by the Association
for the purpose of the filling of vacancies and establishing displacement rights
between the air carriers, provided that implementation of the integrated seniority
list does not result in substantially greater costs to either airline;

c. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are not represented by a labor organization, the
acquired air carrier agrees to the provisions for filling of vacancies and
displacement rights between the air carriers as negotiated and agreed to by the
Association and ExpressJet for pilots at both airlines, provided that if an
agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the
acquired air carrier, the Association and ExpressJet shall jointly submit
outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and displacement rights to expedited
binding arbitration;

d. In the event the Association attempts to organize the pilots of an acquired air
carrier whose pilots are not represented by a labor organization, the acquired air
carrier will take a position of neutrality regarding representation of its pilots and
will provide ALPA access to its pilots for organizing purposes and recognize ALPA
as the bargaining representative pursuant to a certified card check consistent with
the RLA;

e. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are represented by a labor organization 0other
than the Association, ExpressJet and the acquired air carrier agree to the
provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights as negotiated and
agreed to by ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier, ALPA and the other labor
organization; provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days from
the date of acquisition of the acquired carrier, ExpressJet, the acquired air carrier
and ALPA shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies and
displacement rights to binding arbitration;

f. If the acquired air carrier’s pilots are represented by the Association, ExpressJet
and the acquired air carrier agree to the provisions for filling of vacancies and
displacement rights negotiated and agreed to by ExpressJet, the acquired air
carrier and ALPA; provided that if an agreement is not executed within 30 days
from the date of acquisition of the acquired carrier, ExpressJet, the acquired air
carrier and ALPA shall jointly submit outstanding issues on the filling of vacancies
and displacement rights to expedited binding arbitration;

g. No ExpressJet aircraft (including orders and options) shall be transferred to the
acquired air carrier; provided however, if Continental reduces the number of
aircraft flying pursuant to the capacity purchase agreement between Continental
and ExpressJet, that number of aircraft may be transferred to the acquired air
carrier; and,

h. Pending the implementation of the provisions for filling of vacancies and
displacement rights between the air carriers and the integrated pilot seniority list in
paragraphs 3.b.,c.,e. and f., above, no pilot on the ExpressJet pilot seniority list
shall be reduced in status or pay category, nor shall vacancies be filled at the
acquired air carrier that are the result of a new Code Share Agreement or
transferred aircraft permitted in paragraph 3.a. or g., above.

4. If Holdings acquires an air carrier that does not have a Code Share Agreement and only
operates aircraft lawfully operable in commercial passenger flight operations with
maximum seating capacity in excess of 70 seats, Holdings will merge such air carrier with
ExpressJet pursuant to Section 1.D.3. of the Agreement. However, the merged agreement
referred to in Section 1.D.3.b. of the Agreement may, at the Company’s option, provide for
separate operating divisions with rates of pay, rules and working conditions for each of the
pre-acquisition operations. The rates of pay, rules and working conditions at each division
will be those in place at the time of the acquisition. Further, pursuant to this option, the
merged contract will contain provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights
between the divisions. The provisions for filling of vacancies and displacement rights
between the divisions and the duration section of the merged agreement will be
determined through mutual agreement between the Company and the Association. If an
agreement is not executed within 30 days from the date of acquisition of the acquired air
carrier, the Association and ExpressJet shall jointly submit outstanding issues to expedited
binding arbitration as provided in Section 1.D.3.b.

5. If Holdings acquires an air carrier that does not have a Code Share Agreement and
operates aircraft lawfully operable in commercial passenger flight operations with
maximum seating capacity of 70 seats or less, such air carrier will be merged with
ExpressJet pursuant to Section 1.D.3.a. through d. of the Agreement.

6. The flying set forth in Section 1 of the Agreement and in this letter comprise any and all
flying that may be performed by Holdings or for any affiliate of Holdings utilizing aircraft
with greater than 19 passenger seats and with pilots who are covered by the RLA.

7. This letter shall be binding upon any successor or assign of Holdings. For purposes of this
paragraph, a successor or assign shall be defined as an entity which acquires all or
substantially all of the assets or equity of Holdings through a single transaction or multistep
related transactions which close within a 12 month period.

8. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving the transfer of ownership or
control pursuant to a successorship transaction, whether by sale, transfer or lease of
Holdings or substantially all of its assets, will be signed or otherwise entered into by
Holdings unless it is agreed as a material and irrevocable condition of entering into,
concluding and implementing such transaction that the obligations contained in this letter
will be assumed by the successor. Holdings shall give notice of the existence of this letter
to any purchaser, transferee, lessee, or assignee. Such notice shall be in writing with a
copy to the Association, at the time the seller, transferor, or lessor executes a definitive
agreement with respect to a transaction as herein described.


9. In the event of a dispute over the interpretation of this letter, such dispute will be resolved by final and binding arbitration under the expedited dispute resolution provisions of Section 1 of the Agreement. The parties specifically recognize and agree, however, that Holdings is not, and nothing in this letter (including this paragraph) means or can be construed as meaning that Holdings is or has agreed that it is subject to the RLA.

10. This letter shall be effective upon execution and shall run concurrently with the Agreement including any status quo period under the RLA.


Sincerely, Accepted and Agreed:
________________________ ________________________
James B. Ream Duane E. Woerth
President and CEO President
ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. Air Line Pilots Association
________________________ ________________________
James B. Ream Mark Leneski
President and CEO Chairman
XJT Holdings, Inc. ExpressJet MEC
 
Section D 3 was designed SPECIFICALLY for situations such as this.

I'd love to see how they intend on getting rid of that.
 
I was part of the XJT MEC when scope was negotiated. This scenario is exactly why it was put in place.
 
ASA is buying Expressjet. And they are being merged. Not Skywest. So I don't see how it's being violated?
 
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