Skywest, ASA, Expressjet Merger?

Trip7 said:
Update: Our COO stated ASA has an opportunity coming our way in his weekly update this evening and a new 7am EST tomorrow announcement rumor has gone viral

Also, Congrats to XJT....48 more recalls!
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Meh. I don't get excited about management talking about "opportunities." Skywest had an opportunity to buy Mesaba. Didn't happen. Pinnacle had an opportunity at United flying. Didn't happen. Some happen, some don't. I've stopped getting excited over "opportunities." The only people that get excited about those are shareholders looking to dump their stock when it peaks because management mentioned an "opportunity." Most stuff that happens comes totally out of the blue, like your company buying Colgan and a few years later buying their #1 competitor for flying.

As for mega regionals.....I don't really want any part of that. QoL increasing at the regionals is fine, but it shouldn't be at the expense of mainline jobs. My company is really only guaranteed flying until 2017. After that, we're battling it out with the other regionals, be they 3 or 30 in number. QoL is great, but if you're just gonna be on the street in 7 years because your management got underbid by the new guy or the savvy old guy.
 
kellwolf said:
As for mega regionals.....I don't really want any part of that. QoL increasing at the regionals is fine, but it shouldn't be at the expense of mainline jobs. My company is really only guaranteed flying until 2017. After that, we're battling it out with the other regionals, be they 3 or 30 in number. QoL is great, but if you're just gonna be on the street in 7 years because your management got underbid by the new guy or the savvy old guy.
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QOL at the regionals is poor at best, and I'm working under a supposedly better regional contract. I don't see how increasing my QOL will necessarily cost mainline pilots their jobs or QOL. I know the majors don't care about my QOL, they want cheap feed, period. The biggest plane flown at the cheapest rate with ok service. If the pay is sub-par, so be it. I understand that's business. But if there's a way for us to fight back, then great, I'm for it.
 
Trip7 said:
More leverage and more bargaining power. Split them up and each company competes so fiercely barely any profit is made, and barely any payraises given.
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Well that's true but at the same time there would be 7000 pilots. Long upgrades with no movement. That's fine if you're at AA but not at a regional.
 
hrjet said:
Well that's true but at the same time there would be 7000 pilots. Long upgrades with no movement. That's fine if you're at AA but not at a regional.
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There would be loner upgrades(not much longer imo) but also more stability. With the companies merged and not at each other throat in a fight to the death, much less likely to be furloughed due to cpa contract whipsaw.

Would you rather there be 15 regional companies fighting each other for 10 companies worth of flying? Or just one regional company that does all the contract flying for majors? There's not a pilot out there I know that doesn't want a national seniority list and while that probably won't happen, the more regionals that merge, the more stable the industry becomes, which brings us closer to make-shift regional national seniority list due to reduced whipsaw of regional companies bidding on contracts.

The regionals are here to stay, its about time to make them a stable place to work, especially with the 1500hr rule hear.
 
Are we on the road now to accepting the regionals as a career? Because that's the other thing that needs to be considered....defining whether the regionals are a "farm team" for the mainline, or have they become a career place. That will determine which way to go. Consolidation of the regionals will take it down the road of career. I wonder if thats the direction 121 guys want to go. If so, cool. If not....
 
Whoa so now we have PinnaColAba and AlanticSkyJet, who's next?
 
pat84106 said:
Skywest will remain seperate and non-union i'm happy to say.
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:rotfl:

I doubt the shell game that Inc., is playing will hold up in court. XJT's contract language is pretty clear, SKW knew this, and that's what killed the deal in 08. That is going to come to light too.

% intergration, 5 year fences, DOH for benifits (or whats left of them). Easy, simple, no one gets their toes stepped on.
 
Can anyone at ASA provide some insights on their (soon to be our) company? Management? CBA? Union leadership? Etc
 
pat84106 said:
Skywest will remain seperate and non-union i'm happy to say.
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I dont think they will. When the skywest pilots see how little the ASA and EXJ pilots are paying for their medical insurance because they had a contract they will want to join the party. I was talking to a buddy of mine at skywest and he said that his family deductible would go to $3000 bucks a year. The way he explained it was that if his kid broke his arm in December he would have to pay $3000 bucks before insurance would kick in. Then lets say something else happens in January. That would be another $3000 that month also. So he could be buried in $6000 of medical bills in two months.


On topic now I hope all the EXJ guys get recalled. The new united/continental will keep everyone over there busy.
 
DV8Pilot said:
:rotfl:

I doubt the shell game that Inc., is playing will hold up in court. XJT's contract language is pretty clear, SKW knew this, and that's what killed the deal in 08. That is going to come to light too.

% intergration, 5 year fences, DOH for benifits (or whats left of them). Easy, simple, no one gets their toes stepped on.
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Doubt it, the unions already agreed to it.

Stryder said:
I dont think they will. When the skywest pilots see how little the ASA and EXJ pilots are paying for their medical insurance because they had a contract they will want to join the party. I was talking to a buddy of mine at skywest and he said that his family deductible would go to $3000 bucks a year. The way he explained it was that if his kid broke his arm in December he would have to pay $3000 bucks before insurance would kick in. Then lets say something else happens in January. That would be another $3000 that month also. So he could be buried in $6000 of medical bills in two months.


On topic now I hope all the EXJ guys get recalled. The new united/continental will keep everyone over there busy.
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Premiums are lower under the health plans than under the old one. I've always had the hsa plan, it's just better, also your friend doesn't understand the plan, 3000$ is max out of pocket.
 
Stryder said:
I dont think they will. When the skywest pilots see how little the ASA and EXJ pilots are paying for their medical insurance because they had a contract they will want to join the party. I was talking to a buddy of mine at skywest and he said that his family deductible would go to $3000 bucks a year. The way he explained it was that if his kid broke his arm in December he would have to pay $3000 bucks before insurance would kick in. Then lets say something else happens in January. That would be another $3000 that month also. So he could be buried in $6000 of medical bills in two months.


On topic now I hope all the EXJ guys get recalled. The new united/continental will keep everyone over there busy.
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Actually its $6000 annual max out of pocket, with a $2400 deductible for a "family" (a family consists of more than one person, no two-party plan). It's a crap deal.


One list!
 
Nice punch to the stomach as one reports to re-qual training.

Next 12-18 months will be entertaining to say the least.

DV8pilot said:
% intergration, 5 year fences, DOH for benifits (or whats left of them). Easy, simple, no one gets their toes stepped on.
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Agreed. I can swallow that.
 
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