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Screaming_Emu

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A fellow JCer brought this to my attention this morning. Figured this is something that everyone should see. Who in the hell thinks this is OK?


!FDC 5/2818 (KZDC A0191/15) ZDC VA,NC..SPECIAL NOTICE...DUE TO MILITARY ACTIVITIES ON 1030/1090 MHZ, THE TRAFFIC ALERT AND COLLISION AVOIDANCE SYSTEM (TCAS) AND AUTOMATIC DEPENDENT SYSTEM BROADCAST (ADS-B) SURVEILLANCE MAY BE UNRELIABLE IN THE AIRSPACE OVER THE STATES OF VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA, AND FLORIDA, AND EXTENDING APPROXIMATELY 200NM OFFSHORE. PILOTS ARE ADVISED THAT THE TRAFFIC ALERT AND COLLISION AVOIDANCE SYSTEM (TCAS) MAY FAIL TO ESTABLISH TRACKS ON NEARBY AIRCRAFT AND MAY FAIL TO RECEIVE TRAFFIC ALERTS (TA) AND/OR RESOLUTION ADVISORIES (RA). FURTHER, PILOTS ARE ADVISED THAT TRACKS MAY FIRST APPEAR WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THEIR AIRCRAFT AND MAY IMMEDIATELY GO INTO TA/RA STATUS. FALSE ALERTS ARE NOT EXPECTED TO BE GENERATED BY THIS MILITARY ACTIVITY AND ANY ALERTS SHALL BE TREATED AS REAL. PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO MAINTAIN AN INCREASED VISUAL AWARENESS IN THIS AREA. IF THE PILOT BELIEVES THAT AN AIRCRAFT SHOULD HAVE TRIGGERED AN ALERT, THE INCIDENCE SHOULD BE REPORTED TO AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNE MOMENT. SFC-FL500 1509020500-1510010459
 
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Screaming_Emu said:
Who in the hell thinks this is OK?
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The US military...

Oh you want to be safe and have access to all the information you've paid to have installed? Sorry...we need to go play for a month. And you'll fund it. And you'll like it.

And before someone comes in here saying "oh we need to train", "oh we need readiness, rar rar rar", I don't care. I have zero interest in you shutting down a major source of safety equipment used by everything from GA to airliners. About as much interest as letting you shut down huge tracts of airspace all around the country, about as much as letting you shoot practice approaches single pilot, and about as much as letting you run around at 400 knots down low on practice tracks without talking to a soul. Zero eff's given.


And yes, I AM a taxpayer, and it IS my business.
 
JeppUpdater said:
The US military...

Oh you want to be safe and have access to all the information you've paid to have installed? Sorry...we need to go play for a month. And you'll fund it. And you'll like it.

And before someone comes in here saying "oh we need to train", "oh we need readiness, rar rar rar", I don't care. I have zero interest in you shutting down a major source of safety equipment used by everything from GA to airliners. About as much interest as letting you shut down huge tracts of airspace all around the country, about as much as letting you shoot practice approaches single pilot, and about as much as letting you run around at 400 knots down low on practice tracks without talking to a soul. Zero eff's given.


And yes, I AM a taxpayer, and it IS my business.
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Standing ovation!
 
Those of us that fly only on the west coast be like:
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JeppUpdater said:
The US military...

Oh you want to be safe and have access to all the information you've paid to have installed? Sorry...we need to go play for a month. And you'll fund it. And you'll like it.

And before someone comes in here saying "oh we need to train", "oh we need readiness, rar rar rar", I don't care. I have zero interest in you shutting down a major source of safety equipment used by everything from GA to airliners. About as much interest as letting you shut down huge tracts of airspace all around the country, about as much as letting you shoot practice approaches single pilot, and about as much as letting you run around at 400 knots down low on practice tracks without talking to a soul. Zero eff's given.


And yes, I AM a taxpayer, and it IS my business.
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First of all, I don't know what's going on. So this is a guess. But if we're doing some broadcasting or jamming in the TCAS/ADS-B spectrum, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that we're testing the fidelity and spoofing ability of foreign equipment. i.e. can China/Russia/Iran/North Korea make devices that cause us to crash into each other, and our ability to conduct safe operations without those systems.

Or, you know, doing ish that keeps everyone safe?
 
JeppUpdater said:
The US military...

Oh you want to be safe and have access to all the information you've paid to have installed? Sorry...we need to go play for a month. And you'll fund it. And you'll like it.

And before someone comes in here saying "oh we need to train", "oh we need readiness, rar rar rar", I don't care. I have zero interest in you shutting down a major source of safety equipment used by everything from GA to airliners. About as much interest as letting you shut down huge tracts of airspace all around the country, about as much as letting you shoot practice approaches single pilot, and about as much as letting you run around at 400 knots down low on practice tracks without talking to a soul. Zero eff's given.


And yes, I AM a taxpayer, and it IS my business.
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Yea lets see if you'll have the same opinion if another 911 were to happen.



Yes I'm in the military, yes I am tax payer as we'll. Yes I saw people jump out of the towers and land on the street on 911. Oh yea before I forget... Yes I am a pilot.
 
Well, I guess we're all going to have to do some serious soul-searching and maybe some looking-out-of-the-window. You know, like they did before there was TCAS.

I do think it would be wise for the military to give us at least a general idea of why this is necessary, if for no other reason than to make ATN get worked up about something more hilarious.
 
So just in case anyone missed it, there was an ALPA blast mail put out today that basically stated,

"Don't get your panties in a bunch. This isn't the first time they've done this, and last time nothing happened, and no one was effected. They have to put this kind of NOTAM out because the systems haven't been officially tested together."
 
crticalaoa said:
Yea lets see if you'll have the same opinion if another 911 were to happen.



Yes I'm in the military, yes I am tax payer as we'll. Yes I saw people jump out of the towers and land on the street on 911. Oh yea before I forget... Yes I am a pilot.
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Uhh, no. I don't have to accept whatever the government. The implication is that if I don't, a nebulous force of international criminals and religious zealots will come and kill me, is ridiculous. There are many, many, many more sketchy bad things that are likely more threatening than terrorism in America.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

I'm personally done having apologists for a big military tell me that if I don't bend over and accept whatever they want then we will get attacked again and I should be terrified of the consequences. "WE DON'T WANT THE NEXT SMOKING GUN TO BE A MUSHROOM CLOUD!" I think we all saw how that played out. It's all BS, if Uncle Sam is going to jam TCAS, ADS-B, or GPS, they better damn well have a good reason for it and we ought to be able to find out why. As for your ludicrous point that if I don't comply bad things will happen, that's not even statistically true.

Over twice as many veterans kill themselves every year than total people who died in 9/11. In fact, in 2012, 6500 vets killed themselves - this is about the same as the total amount of American military personnel killed in the Global War on Terror. It's also over two times the casualty rate on 9/11. Indeed, the chance of being killed on 9-11 was only just over 1 in 100,000 people. Personally, I'd take those odds if it meant i didn't have to pay for the Iraq war for the rest of my natural life, or even if Halliburton needs their stimulus plan it meant I didn't have to get groped publicly at every airport in the country.

"Ohhh, but the economic costs! They're so great!" True - this article from 2011 from the suggests that it could have cost as much as $3.3 trillion all told. When you dive into the statistics a little bit though, one thing stands out - nearly a trillion dollars went into the Iraq war - which, incidentally, was simply justified by 9-11 and actually had nothing to do with it. Indeed, I imagine the ISIS related cluster going on in Iraq right now probably wouldn't have happened if we weren't there. In comparison, the great recession cost about 6 times as much. Go figure.
 
ppragman said:
Uhh, no. I don't have to accept whatever the government. The implication is that if I don't, a nebulous force of international criminals and religious zealots will come and kill me, is ridiculous. There are many, many, many more sketchy bad things that are likely more threatening than terrorism in America.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

I'm personally done having apologists for a big military tell me that if I don't bend over and accept whatever they want then we will get attacked again and I should be terrified of the consequences. "WE DON'T WANT THE NEXT SMOKING GUN TO BE A MUSHROOM CLOUD!" I think we all saw how that played out. It's all BS, if Uncle Sam is going to jam TCAS, ADS-B, or GPS, they better damn well have a good reason for it and we ought to be able to find out why. As for your ludicrous point that if I don't comply bad things will happen, that's not even statistically true.

Over twice as many veterans kill themselves every year than total people who died in 9/11. In fact, in 2012, 6500 vets killed themselves - this is about the same as the total amount of American military personnel killed in the Global War on Terror. It's also over two times the casualty rate on 9/11. Indeed, the chance of being killed on 9-11 was only just over 1 in 100,000 people. Personally, I'd take those odds if it meant i didn't have to pay for the Iraq war for the rest of my natural life, or even if Halliburton needs their stimulus plan it meant I didn't have to get groped publicly at every airport in the country.

"Ohhh, but the economic costs! They're so great!" True - this article from 2011 from the suggests that it could have cost as much as $3.3 trillion all told. When you dive into the statistics a little bit though, one thing stands out - nearly a trillion dollars went into the Iraq war - which, incidentally, was simply justified by 9-11 and actually had nothing to do with it. Indeed, I imagine the ISIS related cluster going on in Iraq right now probably wouldn't have happened if we weren't there. In comparison, the great recession cost about 6 times as much. Go figure.[/QUOTE


You have no facts. Stop with the lies. 6500 vets killed them selfs each year? when in reality it was just 349 suicides. "Over twice as many veterans kill themselves every year than total people who died in 9/11" look at the facts. Here you go buddy welcome to reality ..... http://www.rt.com/usa/us-army-suicide-rate-025/

US military suicide rate 2012

US Army – 182 suicides
US Marines Corps – 48 suicides
US Navy – 60 suicides
US Air Force – 59 suicides

The average suicide rate in the US military – 24 suicides per 100,000 soldiers – is lower than the civilian suicide rate for men aged 17 to 60 – 25 suicides per 100,000 in 2010.

Here is more proof of your idiotic lies ....
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/14/16510852-military-suicide-rate-hit-record-high-in-2012

Just for the record, my argument is based on military personnel who are active duty or were active duty after 2001.
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I'm not a tin foil hat kind of guy, but it makes you wonder what they are exactly up to, and why they don't want us to know about it. I'd be a little nervous going through that area at night or IMC. At least during the day you might have a chance to avoid whatever they might send your way.
 
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