Single Engine or Twin?

Roger Roger said:
Know how you tell the airplanes with tapered wings by the model designator?
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The 1 on the end of the HP. PA28-161, 181, 201. PA-32-301

AZflyboy said:
Shoot if I had the money I'd just buy a piper aztec and call it good :D
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Oh you want to go slow and burn a ton of gas with 2 engines worth of mx?

Roger Roger said:
Anything with tapered wings has 1 added to the suffix of the model designator. PA32-301, PA28R201, PA28-236, PA28-161 etc.
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Ahh beat me to it!

Funny story, I had my CFI tell me he could give me a HP endorsement in a taper wing Arrow.
 
alaskadrifter said:
ACID freak.
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Guilty as charged. Also remember I cut my teeth in the real world wrenching on a fleet of beat to hell PA32s that spanned from a couple of 1969 models to a 1982 -301 so at one point I knew what year they did all the model changes, like which years had the oddball Saratoga style fuel system in the Hershey bar wing, or when they went from the nice simple single-muffler exhaust with left and right risers that were the same to the triple muffler setup that has a different riser for each cylinder. Now all I remember is time life limits on Caravan landing gear components.
 
z987k said:
The 1 on the end of the HP. PA28-161, 181, 201. PA-32-301


Oh you want to go slow and burn a ton of gas with 2 engines worth of mx?
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uhhhh burn a ton of gas? idk how hard I should be lol'ing right now. thanks for the chuckle
 
Roger Roger said:
Guilty as charged. Also remember I cut my teeth in the real world wrenching on a fleet of beat to hell PA32s that spanned from a couple of 1969 models to a 1982 -301 so at one point I knew what year they did all the model changes, like which years had the oddball Saratoga style fuel system in the Hershey bar wing, or when they went from the nice simple single-muffler exhaust with left and right risers that were the same to the triple muffler setup that has a different riser for each cylinder. Now all I remember is time life limits on Caravan landing gear components.
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Sadly his 6 met its demise against a roofing truck, fortunately their insurance paid for the "new" Arrow. I also was into ACID, somehow managed to place top 5 at regionals twice, but I was never on the level of @JustinS.
 
AZflyboy said:
haha have you even flown an aztec? And I guess if speed is what YOU are looking for then yeah maybe it's not for you, but for me the aztec wins hands down for carrying capacity and room. And you're right, 10gph a side fuel burn must be crazy.....
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At 10gph per side, you're doing what 115knts in it. It's been a few years, but I remember it to be more in the 14-15gph per side and 130kt range. Painfully slow for the fuel involved. Plus the mx of 2 540s. I guess if weight carrying capacity is your only concern then ya it's a good airplane.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
If money isn't an issue this isn't even a question, twin all day. Imagine how upset you'd be with yourself if you had an engine failure in a single with the wife and kid on board. No thanks.
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I'm leaning towards Seneca. Though I've decided to wait a few months now. This whole thing got started by my friend wanting to sell me his Lance. When that fell through, I started looking at what the market has available. That was a mistake! Now I'm trying to talk myself off the ledge. Lol

I'll probably get a Seneca this fall, once we get all settled in MCO.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
I'm leaning towards Seneca. Though I've decided to wait a few months now. This whole thing got started by my friend wanting to sell me his Lance. When that fell through, I started looking at what the market has available. That was a mistake! Now I'm trying to talk myself off the ledge. Lol

I'll probably get a Seneca this fall, once we get all settled in MCO.
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Smart man! I don't know much about Senecas but I'll throw out a recommendation for a 55 Baron. They're fast, not ugly, most have boots and hot props/ alcohol windshield and you can pick up a nice one for around 100k.
 
I have been told that Piper no longer has the tooling to make parts for the twin Comanche and other planes of that era, that is why there are so many up for sale currently I suspect. Great plane, but might get expensive to keep going. How about the Piper Arrow, always like them too. I know this is not a popular opinion, but I always liked the turbo T-tail I flew for a few years.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
Smart man! I don't know much about Senecas but I'll throw out a recommendation for a 55 Baron. They're fast, not ugly, most have boots and hot props/ alcohol windshield and you can pick up a nice one for around 100k.
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Definitely look at Barons, but I'll disagree that most 55s have deice gear.

There are two basic versions of the short bodied Baron, the A/B55 and C/D/E 55. The B55s tend to have a lower overall equipment level...and deice and radar gear on them runs 50/50.

C/D/E 55s have the IO-520s in them and a longer nose, bigger tail, and have a seriously large useful load (1800-1900 lbs). You tend to see a higher level of gear on them. Later model Es are pretty prized, but the Colemil President conversion on B55s is pretty badass too (replaces the 470s with 520s/550s).

It's far easier to find a 58 (long bodied Baron...same cabin as the A/B/G36) with radar and deice. A good number of them are FIKI and have AC as well (no factory AC on B55s, and pretty rare on Es).

And if anyone cares, there is the long bodied P-Baron (310/325 hp), the 58TC (basically the P-Baron without the P) and the Mac Daddy, the 56TC, which is short bodied Baron with the 380hp Duke engines (only those with their own refinery need apply).

You can spot FIKI birds because they may have inboard boots, but all have hot props and windshield. The hot plate for the WS is crazy expensive to replace.

Richman
 
I'm actually in the same spot, FL to NC, tired of the drive. I've decided on a single but still undecided on which. It's four of us and I'm a big guy so I was looking at 6 seaters with big payload. Or the V35 seems nice and can carry us all.


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Roger Roger said:
Unless you decide you need the second engine you can't go wrong with a Cherokee 6. Not fast, but it will haul everything including the kitchen sink and they are dead simple (read:cheap to maintain).
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I would second the Cherokee 6/Saratoga as my first choice. It isn't much more complicated than any other Cherokee, super practical. I like the newer 206's too, but they do the same thing at a huge premium in price. Would rather spend the money on avgas.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
You're saying having 2 pilots in a single is safer than one pilot in a twin? If so, that's the dumbest thing I've heard. Well, on second thought, maybe the other guy can help you find a field when your one engine craps out and you're a glider. No thanks️
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The least reliable component in any airplane is the loose nut in the left seat. Always has been always will be.

Backing up that very unreliable component needs to be the first priority.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
You're saying having 2 pilots in a single is safer than one pilot in a twin? If so, that's the dumbest thing I've heard. Well, on second thought, maybe the other guy can help you find a field when your one engine craps out and you're a glider. No thanks️
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Statistically, he's right. A second pilot is worth more than a second engine. Turns out even piston engines are more reliable than pilots.
 
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