kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Re: From AOPA
First off, no school is the second coming, FSA or otherwise. I'm glad you had a good experience. I'm sure I wouldn't have to look far in the aviation world to find someone who had a bad experience. Maybe someone who paid all the money to FSA and had to wait for months to get a standz class. Meantime, he was having to re-pay loans and pay rent. That was one of the instructors at my "Joe Blows" FBOs. The point is academies aren't better and FBOs aren't better. You can't generalize like that. You CAN compare individual schools, and that would be much better. There's a couple of FBOs out there that I wouldn't hesitate to put their studs up against FSA's.
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Get your run of the mill part 61, I did my PPL in 200 hours pilot and I will grab a 190 hour CIME FSA grad and we will do some spot landings, and instrument approaches and we will see who comes out on top. I know where I am putting my cash....
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No offense, but that makes no sense. A PPL against a CFI? Besides, if the guy took 200 hours to get his PPL, he's probably not interested in aviation as a career, therefore wouldn't have the desire to do as well. Now, if we want to compare apples to apples, I'll take an FBO CFI and an FSA CFI and give it a shot.
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BUT IT IS VERY RARE. FBO schools do not teach the way FSA does whether you want to believe it or not.
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I'll say it again. You can't generalize. How do you know EVERY FBO out there doesn't teach the same way FSA does? There are actually a lot of FSA trained instructors at FBOs instead of FSA. Are you saying those guys suddenly go retarded when they leave? There are, believe it or not, FBOs out there with career based training modeled on academy training.
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I was told when I applied for my job that they like hiring FSA and Riddle grads because they know we have a solid foundation with good training behind us.
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ASA or whomever needs to get out more. Especially if they think the flight training at Riddle is better than some of the other schools.....
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Take two resumes with identical degrees, hours, and ratings. One from joe blow me FBO and one from FSA or Riddle. Who do you think is getting the call first?
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Depends on who's making the calls. Some pilot recruiters don't LIKE Riddle grads b/c they're cocky. No offense, but it looks like the same might be said of FSA grads. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to FBOs. Why? Did you have a bad experience with one FBO?
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I attended FSA for a hell of alot less than MOST pay for MOM and POP FBO training.
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Got facts on that? I'll agree that a lot of FBOs overcharge, that's why I don't go to those. However, I'll be done with my ratings and my degree owing less than $30K. If you got done at FSA for less than average, that means you probably studied hard and paid attention. Has nothing to do with the school, but the work ethic of the student. Don't sell the students short based on the school's curriculum.
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Oh yeah, you know everything and will probably say Joe blows right?
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Believe it or not, I've seen people get hired at airlines that trained at FBOs. A lot of them are on this board, too. If you go into an interview with a superior attitude like that, you'll probably be getting a letter in the mail instead of a phone call, no matter what flight school you went to. I know at one specific regional they really don't care where you go your ratings, they focus on attitude and personality. So, in this case if the FSA guy comes off as cocky and the "Joe Blow" FBO guy comes off as friendly, guess who's getting the call.
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I think it was at Joes FBO SIMPLY because you are so protective of Joe and so against some of the schools that actually have money behind them to employ some of the best Ex-Military and Airline Pilots to teach, mentor, and guide new pilots.
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Personally, I went the FBO route, and I don't regret it. You're trying to tell me I might as well pack up and go home since my money was wasted. I guess I should have gone to FSA if I wanted to fly for the airlines. At least, that's what it sounds like. I think FSA is a good school, and it works for a lot of people. I also happen to think that it's overpriced, same with Pan Am and even ATP now. I've gotten nothing against academies. They work for a lot of people, especially when you need to get done quickly. What I don't like is people who think their school is the best, and the only way they can show it is by running down every other school that comes up. To me, that shows some serious inadequacies in the training. Now, if you can confidentally say "My school is better and here's why...." then that's cool. There might even be some facts I agree with in there. But to come out and rant about "Joe Blow FBOs" and "Pan Scam" and "Scary Ben" does nothing but take away.
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since you have SOOOOOO much time to constantly get into spiffs with people on this site, take some of that free time of yours and head on down to FSA and go HAND fly some approaches in the Seminole with some of the students.
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Well, I know this was directed at Don, but I'll bite. If you're buying, I'll go one better. SINGLE engine approaches, hand flown in the Seneca. Oh, but I learned those at an FBO.....
First off, no school is the second coming, FSA or otherwise. I'm glad you had a good experience. I'm sure I wouldn't have to look far in the aviation world to find someone who had a bad experience. Maybe someone who paid all the money to FSA and had to wait for months to get a standz class. Meantime, he was having to re-pay loans and pay rent. That was one of the instructors at my "Joe Blows" FBOs. The point is academies aren't better and FBOs aren't better. You can't generalize like that. You CAN compare individual schools, and that would be much better. There's a couple of FBOs out there that I wouldn't hesitate to put their studs up against FSA's.
[ QUOTE ]
Get your run of the mill part 61, I did my PPL in 200 hours pilot and I will grab a 190 hour CIME FSA grad and we will do some spot landings, and instrument approaches and we will see who comes out on top. I know where I am putting my cash....
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No offense, but that makes no sense. A PPL against a CFI? Besides, if the guy took 200 hours to get his PPL, he's probably not interested in aviation as a career, therefore wouldn't have the desire to do as well. Now, if we want to compare apples to apples, I'll take an FBO CFI and an FSA CFI and give it a shot.
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BUT IT IS VERY RARE. FBO schools do not teach the way FSA does whether you want to believe it or not.
[/ QUOTE ]
I'll say it again. You can't generalize. How do you know EVERY FBO out there doesn't teach the same way FSA does? There are actually a lot of FSA trained instructors at FBOs instead of FSA. Are you saying those guys suddenly go retarded when they leave? There are, believe it or not, FBOs out there with career based training modeled on academy training.
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I was told when I applied for my job that they like hiring FSA and Riddle grads because they know we have a solid foundation with good training behind us.
[/ QUOTE ]
ASA or whomever needs to get out more. Especially if they think the flight training at Riddle is better than some of the other schools.....
[ QUOTE ]
Take two resumes with identical degrees, hours, and ratings. One from joe blow me FBO and one from FSA or Riddle. Who do you think is getting the call first?
[/ QUOTE ]
Depends on who's making the calls. Some pilot recruiters don't LIKE Riddle grads b/c they're cocky. No offense, but it looks like the same might be said of FSA grads. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to FBOs. Why? Did you have a bad experience with one FBO?
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I attended FSA for a hell of alot less than MOST pay for MOM and POP FBO training.
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Got facts on that? I'll agree that a lot of FBOs overcharge, that's why I don't go to those. However, I'll be done with my ratings and my degree owing less than $30K. If you got done at FSA for less than average, that means you probably studied hard and paid attention. Has nothing to do with the school, but the work ethic of the student. Don't sell the students short based on the school's curriculum.
[ QUOTE ]
Oh yeah, you know everything and will probably say Joe blows right?
[/ QUOTE ]
Believe it or not, I've seen people get hired at airlines that trained at FBOs. A lot of them are on this board, too. If you go into an interview with a superior attitude like that, you'll probably be getting a letter in the mail instead of a phone call, no matter what flight school you went to. I know at one specific regional they really don't care where you go your ratings, they focus on attitude and personality. So, in this case if the FSA guy comes off as cocky and the "Joe Blow" FBO guy comes off as friendly, guess who's getting the call.
[ QUOTE ]
I think it was at Joes FBO SIMPLY because you are so protective of Joe and so against some of the schools that actually have money behind them to employ some of the best Ex-Military and Airline Pilots to teach, mentor, and guide new pilots.
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Personally, I went the FBO route, and I don't regret it. You're trying to tell me I might as well pack up and go home since my money was wasted. I guess I should have gone to FSA if I wanted to fly for the airlines. At least, that's what it sounds like. I think FSA is a good school, and it works for a lot of people. I also happen to think that it's overpriced, same with Pan Am and even ATP now. I've gotten nothing against academies. They work for a lot of people, especially when you need to get done quickly. What I don't like is people who think their school is the best, and the only way they can show it is by running down every other school that comes up. To me, that shows some serious inadequacies in the training. Now, if you can confidentally say "My school is better and here's why...." then that's cool. There might even be some facts I agree with in there. But to come out and rant about "Joe Blow FBOs" and "Pan Scam" and "Scary Ben" does nothing but take away.
[ QUOTE ]
since you have SOOOOOO much time to constantly get into spiffs with people on this site, take some of that free time of yours and head on down to FSA and go HAND fly some approaches in the Seminole with some of the students.
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Well, I know this was directed at Don, but I'll bite. If you're buying, I'll go one better. SINGLE engine approaches, hand flown in the Seneca. Oh, but I learned those at an FBO.....
