Second day of Airbus 330 school

BobDDuck said:
Boeing doesn't look at groundspeed, at least on the older jets. It may on the 777 and 787 but I don't know. It spits out an approach speed and a ref speed (normally approach+5) which you can edit and then flies that if you are in FMS (managed) speed.
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Old real Boeings don't even do that. ;)
 
I flew Embraers at a company where the check airmen all made it a point to remind people from other airlines that it wasn't "FELCH", it was "flight-level change".
 
Now, my next question, the 330 flies and flares a lot like a 757 with 767 trucks. Now how in the hell do you crosswind land this thing? I was killing it all evening up until the 20 knot crosswinds started.
 
Derg said:
Now, my next question, the 330 flies and flares a lot like a 757 with 767 trucks. Now how in the hell do you crosswind land this thing? I was killing it all evening up until the 20 knot crosswinds started.
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All of my energy management planning and pitch attitudes from the 757 carry over to the mini-bus. Perhaps this can help for my technique (which is honestly just fly the damn plane like a plane):

Kick the rudder first to line her up around the 30 foot call (never ever before 50 feet), then aileron as needed. That rudder GOES (and did i mention it has a serious amount of command?) and the upwind wing tends to dip because of the flight control logic of roll rate. Input sidestick as needed to keep it on the centerline... with the wing dip due to roll rate control the weird thing is I've found i'll end up adding sidestick downwind instead of into the wind at times. Whatever it takes to get it into a normal airplane position for the upwind wheel to touchdown first- don't churn the butter, use bump inputs in shifting conditions (as smooth as possible, but in gusts bump the stick a bit more to change the momentum then back to neutral) If it takes upwind aileron, that's what it takes, bump the wing into the position you need in to maintain lateral deviation control.. it is just as easy to get into spoiler PIOs as it was in the 757 in gusty crosswinds.

Fifi is a sweeeeeet crosswind landing airplane, I have to say. Did one in 38 knot gusting x-winds on sunday... no sensation of touchdown until all the spoilers came out and the runway started rumbling.
 
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Derg said:
Now, my next question, the 330 flies and flares a lot like a 757 with 767 trucks. Now how in the hell do you crosswind land this thing? I was killing it all evening up until the 20 knot crosswinds started.
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From holding short of 8L and watching our 330s land with a pretty good crosswind, it seems that they just land in a crab and straighten it out once the main trucks are on the ground.
 
Derg said:
Now, my next question, the 330 flies and flares a lot like a 757 with 767 trucks. Now how in the hell do you crosswind land this thing? I was killing it all evening up until the 20 knot crosswinds started.
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I know one technique in a bad crosswind that has never ever failed me. It's quite simple actually. All you need to do is say "captain, this is your landing" :)
 
Derg said:
Don't say that at my airline. You're going to get ridiculed.
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I know, I will call it whatever the ops manual says to call it. But this particular discussion was on a Delta 757 (NWA bird with a North crew) and the FO was talking about calling the buttons LNAV, VNAV, and Filch. He said he just pronounces it the way it is written and that some other guys do it too but the majority don't. This was a SFO-DTW redeye and I was like a zombie at that point so I don't remember the exact specifics of his discussion.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I know, I will call it whatever the ops manual says to call it. But this particular discussion was on a Delta 757 (NWA bird with a North crew) and the FO was talking about calling the buttons LNAV, VNAV, and Filch. He said he just pronounces it the way it is written and that some other guys do it too but the majority don't. This was a SFO-DTW redeye and I was like a zombie at that point so I don't remember the exact specifics of his discussion.
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Psst..that was a NWA word. Don't make Derg get out his bottle of visine and hunt you down.
 
Cptnchia said:
Psst..that was a NWA word. Don't make Derg get out his bottle of visine and hunt you down.
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LOL! Yes, both of them were for some reason quick to point out they were NWA. They even made a few comments about how Delta wanted things done in terms of SOPs and how it was much different than NWA. Now I'm no judge of character, but it sounded like they missed NWA. Sorry @Derg :(
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
LOL! Yes, both of them were for some reason quick to point out they were NWA. They even made a few comments about how Delta wanted things done in terms of SOPs and how it was much different than NWA. Now I'm no judge of character, but it sounded like they missed NWA. Sorry @Derg :(
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Sounds like riding with a TWA crew on an AA flight.


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No character to judge. I am sure they did miss NWA. An airline with a rich heritage to be proud of. I am sure I'd miss Delta if it went the other way.

Fortunately for me, we added their distinctiveness to the collective. We are the Borg, resistance is futile.
 
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