"Schoolhouse" Rumor

Derg said:
And the hats.

We've still got a large percentage of people who refuse the wear the hat, but they'll carry it around for an eleven day trip just in case they run into a chief pilot.

I figure if you're not going to wear it against the FOM, don't bring it otherwise I gotta sit around the crew bus waiting for you to run back to the jet and grab it.
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I left my cover at home for one local last week, and I got out of the habit. Now I've left it just about once a day, this week.
 
Roger Roger said:
"Cover"? Your pops must have worked for our mutual Uncle, Sam.
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Nope. He's one of those no-good, lazy, double-time-for-overtime, (unprintable) civilians like me. I'm pretty sure he acquired that terminology from his coworkers.
 
When any airline pilot starts talking,(Airline routes/or where this company needs to go), politics, or financial advise, run my man. Run as far as you can. We fly the planes for a reason, let them figure out where to go.
 
Most pilots I have seen look silly in hats! They do not fit correctly or they don't wear them correctly. Better to be done with them!
 
Derg said:
Truth.

In 1997, United was my first choice, I got turned down at American and SouthernJets hired me.

In retrospect, things worked out for the best up to this point. Tomorrow, no one knows.
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In 1989 Alaska and United were my first choices. I got turned down by Continental and World. Got hired at UPS. When it comes to the big league it's best to just go with the flow....
 
BobDDuck said:
I've heard this one floating around for a long time now. The thing is, the minute you make Hawaiian not "Hawaiian" you lose almost every advantage that Hawaiian has. That said, using the "career expectations" model, a whole lot of junior Delta fos would get hosed.
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Generally speaking, airline managements seem to be really retarded in the area of branding. In most industries, industry giants own brands that remain uniquely branded and differentiated. So much so that most consumers don't even know that the "independent" brand is owned by a larger entity. Airlines generally seem to buy up successfully differentiated smaller brands and then kill all that unique and competitive regarding that brand. Meanwhile they piss away their marketing spend trying to differentiate their giant, generic behemoths and make them somehow seem compelling. I'll never understand that. Seems to me that the big airline companies could gain the beneficial economies of scale inherent in consolidation while keeping the competitive advantages of the unique brands they subsume.
 
Crop Duster said:
Generally speaking, airline managements seem to be really retarded in the area of branding. In most industries, industry giants own brands that remain uniquely branded and differentiated. So much so that most consumers don't even know that the "independent" brand is owned by a larger entity. Airlines generally seem to buy up successfully differentiated smaller brands and then kill all that unique and competitive regarding that brand. Meanwhile they piss away their marketing spend trying to differentiate their giant, generic behemoths and make them somehow seem compelling. I'll never understand that. Seems to me that the big airline companies could gain the beneficial economies of scale inherent in consolidation while keeping the competitive advantages of the unique brands they subsume.
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That would be a violation of the PWA as it would be considered later ego flying.
 
Crop Duster said:
Seems to me that the big airline companies could gain the beneficial economies of scale inherent in consolidation while keeping the competitive advantages of the unique brands they subsume.
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USAirways had been doing that a bit with their Heritage Liveries. However, like @Cptnchia said, if it was kept as an entirely separate brand it could fall under the alter ego prohibition.
 
BobDDuck said:
USAirways had been doing that a bit with their Heritage Liveries. However, like @Cptnchia said, if it was kept as an entirely separate brand it could fall under the alter ego prohibition.
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Yer gonna have to help me out. What the heck is the "alter ego prohibition"? Is that like a DBA?
 
What happened to Republic's Hawaiian base? I do remember seeing some E170's out there branded in Mokulele?
 
Crop Duster said:
Yer gonna have to help me out. What the heck is the "alter ego prohibition"? Is that like a DBA?
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An alter ego is an airline that operates the same type of airplanes the parent does on a seperate seniority list, usually for a lesser rate.
 
Crop Duster said:
Yer gonna have to help me out. What the heck is the "alter ego prohibition"? Is that like a DBA?
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Most contracts (CBAs, PWAs etc) have a clause the prohibits the company from forming an alter ego carrier. An alter ego carrier is one that is owned by the same company, does a similar type of flying and uses many of the the same departments (training, safety, HR, IT etc) that the original pilot group uses but is a separate seniority list. The ultimate example of an alter ego was Freedom A and Mesa Airlines. GoJet was also an alter ego to TSA but for various reasons didn't hold up to the legal challenge.

cmhumphr said:
What happened to Republic's Hawaiian base? I do remember seeing some E170's out there branded in Mokulele?
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Long gone. I think maybe by 2010? Mokulele is just Caravans now and pose the single greatest hazard to inter island flying, just beating out the general incompetence of HCF.
 
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