Scabs

[OldTownPilot]

I thought that the CA from UAL had walked across twice at 2 different airlines. Please confirm this please, as I HATE the search function here!

I DON'T AGREE WITH SCABS, but apparently the unions dont have enough balls to keep a scabber (is that a word) out of their ranks.....

Please correct me where I am wrong.

CA from UAL? who? huh?

PM me the name and I'll check it for ya!

Or if ya want to check it yourself the list is over at www.fracpilot.com
The site is quite cluttered but the link is over on the right column.

 

[staplegun]

I thought that the CA from UAL had walked across twice at 2 different airlines. Please confirm this please, as I HATE the search function here!

I need a name, or I don't know who you're talking about...

I DON'T AGREE WITH SCABS, but apparently the unions dont have enough balls to keep a scabber (is that a word) out of their ranks.....

None of the UAL scabs are members of ALPA, therefore they are not "in the ranks" so to speak...


Kevin

 

[Old Pete]

CA from UAL? who? huh?

PM me the name and I'll check it for ya!

Or if ya want to check it yourself the list is over at www.fracpilot.com
The site is quite cluttered but the link is over on the right column.

Half the people on that list must be retired, a third dead from old age. If we go another 10 years with out a strike, there won't even be any point in keeping a list.

 

[Tram]

Being a scab can go pretty far back..

There are still EAL guys that currently fly at FDX who still give new hire guys from Air Tran a semi-hard time about being from a "scab airline.."

ValuJet back in the day was sorta like today's GoJets... Not quite the same, but probably as close as our generation has..

Scabs get all kind of neat treatment..

Imagine everywhere you go, being shunned...

You walk in the crew room.. it goes silent.. as the scab just arrived..

You get on the hotel bus.. no one speaks to you..

You ride the bus to the crew lot.. everyone knows your a scab..

 

[aloft]

Couple things here.

#1, Way too many college & high school students posting in this thread. If you're not a card-carrying member of a pilot union at a Pt 121 carrier, you've really got no business making "scabs suck!" posts. This thread is just one of those opportunities to keep your mouth shut and listen.

#2, not that I support the idea, but let's be completely honest: a "scab" label is not, in fact, a career killer. Will it make the rest of a Pt 121 career miserable? Absolutely. Will it cost you your job? No. Plenty of scabs still employed at Pt 121 carriers, and I'm sure plenty more have cushy Pt 91 or Pt 135 jobs.

Just trying to keep things "fair and balanced" here.

 

[mtsu_av8er]

However what about the guy who has a sick kid at home and really has no choice? He MUST keep insurance, he MUST pay the medical bills etc. I know this is an extreme case but what about redemption? Forgiveness?

Some things deserve no forgiveness.

Your family is married to this career. If you can't live with that, find a new career.

 

[mtsu_av8er]

Scabbing is about like going to a prostitute because your wife won't put out and you expect her to think everything is hunky dory after the ordeal is over.

Ain't...

Gonna...

Happen.

You sound like you know what you're talking about, Dough!

J/K folks!

 

[Sprint100]

Some get a bad wrap. IMHO, those that cross the picket line in order to feed his/her family is not deserving of that derogatory mark. Personally I can't stand strikes. You don't get paid (benny's, etc. not counted since most strikers can't afford to take time off) and it's all for what? A raise in pay and/or benefits that doesn't even catch you up on your bills. I knew many people that worked at Raplh's when they went on strike and alot of them will tell you it wasn't worth it, some just had to move on to other jobs so they could get paid, and others couldn't stay afloat.

Plus if I can't find a gig and the only thing I can get is a strikers' job plus I have mouths to feed besides my own....Scab yo momma

 

[OldTownPilot]

Couple things here.

#1, Way too many college & high school students posting in this thread. If you're not a card-carrying member of a pilot union at a Pt 121 carrier, you've really got no business making "scabs suck!" posts. This thread is just one of those opportunities to keep your mouth shut and listen.

Just trying to keep things "fair and balanced" here.

Yeah, I'm a college student. What sort of problem do you have with that?

I know how scabs have affected MY family. Why can't I post about the first-hand effects of Scabs?

 

[mtsu_av8er]

IMHO, those that cross the picket line in order to feed his/her family is not deserving of that derogatory mark.

You're entitled to your opinion.

It's a good thing you don't work in this field.

 

[Sprint100]

You're entitled to your opinion.

It's a good thing you don't work in this field.

Puh-lease, when it comes to feeding my family, that comes before any job or being labeled as a scab.

P.S. - I've never been on strike, but have seen too many negative effects on your average worker because of a strike.

 

[staplegun]

Some get a bad wrap. IMHO, those that cross the picket line in order to feed his/her family is not deserving of that derogatory mark. Personally I can't stand strikes. You don't get paid (benny's, etc. not counted since most strikers can't afford to take time off) and it's all for what? A raise in pay and/or benefits that doesn't even catch you up on your bills. I knew many people that worked at Raplh's when they went on strike and alot of them will tell you it wasn't worth it, some just had to move on to other jobs so they could get paid, and others couldn't stay afloat.

Really??!!?

Are you just not paying attention to what's been said here?

Or do you not work for an airline and think it won't ever affect you?


I'm trying to let people who might not know any better realize just how reprehensible it would be to scab, and then I see this:

Plus if I can't find a gig and the only thing I can get is a strikers' job plus I have mouths to feed besides my own....Scab yo momma

This is not a "smiley" kind of subject. In case you haven't noticed, those of us who make our living as union airline pilots take this subject very seriously.

Do you really mean that you wouldn't hesitate to scab?


Kevin

 

[Tram]

Puh-lease, when it comes to feeding my family, that comes before any job or being labeled as a scab.

There's a scab in every group..

Looks like you are ours....

 

[Sprint100]

Do you really mean that you wouldn't hesitate to scab?

If my family depended on my pay as the sole source of income I'd do what I have to do. If I could only fly planes, then that's what I'll have to do. Point blank, if I were in that position to strike and could do other things, I wouldn't strike...I'd just get another job. But since I have many skills let's not talk about me.
My argument was for people that can't afford to not get paid, ie. living on each week's wage with no backup. Penny tight budget type of stuff because there are people like that out there. People that can't afford to strike because if they do they are going to get evicted, not be able to buy groceries, etc.

 

[Sprint100]

There's a scab in every group..

Looks like you are ours....

First off you're waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy off base. I'm just speaking for some who aren't/won't speak and that have "scabbed".
This is no better than gang-bangin'. You not down for my set so I'mma blast (in this case verbally). Learn to find out what somebody is about first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. - I'd still take scabbing when I have to choose between that and not starving my family. Where is your head at?

 

[staplegun]

If my family depended on my pay as the sole source of income I'd do what I have to do. If I could only fly planes, then that's what I'll have to do. Point blank, if I were in that position to strike and could do other things, I wouldn't strike...I'd just get another job. But since I have many skills let's not talk about me.

You can't have it both ways...

Either you will or you won't.

My argument was for people that can't afford to not get paid, ie. living on each week's wage with no backup. Penny tight budget type of stuff because there are people like that out there. People that can't afford to strike because if they do they are going to get evicted, not be able to buy groceries, etc.

See post #34 by Doug Taylor.

Here it is:

Well, there's a couple of points I'd like to preach about.

If you're an airline pilot, love it or hate it, you're entering a world that's highly unionized. Truth be known.

Every few years when the contract is negotiated, you run the possibility of running into an impasse during negotiations with the company. Your only tool is withdrawl of service when the contract ends and there's no settlement in sight.

Whatever business you're in, whether it's aviation, medicine, trash collecting or even working at Subway Sang'wiches, you NEED a financial cushion. The more you make, the more of a cushion you need because if there is an interruption of pay, you don't want to instantly go insolvent and have to start selling all of your crap for pennies on the dollar.

Get any job (flying, nonflying), build a 'financial standby kit'.

You HAVE to do this. You do not have a choice. I don't care what the excuse is or how little one makes, but you need to look at your realistic basic living expenses and start stockpiling at least a couple months of that.

So when/if your airline goes:

a. On strike. (been there)
b. Bankrupt (done that)
c. Furloughs you (whew, avoided this one so far)
d. Gets temporarily grounded by the feds (happened at my flight school i worked at! STILL owes me money)

You're able to feed yourself and your family.

I don't care if a person has 15 kids, ex-wives and financial commitments out the ying-yang, you need an emergency fund. I can listen to every excuse on earth on why someone decided to scab, but truth be known, as mean as it sounds, where in the hell was your emergency fund?

Scabbing is about like going to a prostitute because your wife won't put out and you expect her to think everything is hunky dory after the ordeal is over.

Ain't...

Gonna...

Happen.
__________________
Doug Taylor

Kevin

 

[Sprint100]

Whatever business you're in, whether it's aviation, medicine, trash collecting or even working at Subway Sang'wiches, you NEED a financial cushion.

That's what I was talking about, everyone isn't in the position of having a financial cushion. I'm not disagreeing with what Doug is saying at all, I'm just saying that I wouldn't look down on or degrade someone that is faced with the choice of scabbing or running his family into financial ruin.
Honestly, I know what I am getting into and know there is very good chance something like that could go down, so I am establishing that financial cushion so I purposely won't put myself in that predicament.
Never did I say that crossing the picket line is right or wrong.

As far as some not having an emergency fund, a very large percentage (if not most), of Americans don't have an emergency fund they could survive on.

 

[Tram]

I'd still take scabbing when I have to choose between that and not starving my family. Where is your head at?

There are alternative ways to allow your family to eat..

When my pops striked, my family never missed a meal.. Crossing the line is the mode of lesser integrity to feed your family..

You are a scab sympathizer.. You have admitted several times you'd scab.. Might as well be a scab..

Scabs are the guys who would throw anyone under the bus to save their own skin..

Worthless.. scabs are worthless..

 

[derg]

Puh-lease, when it comes to feeding my family, that comes before any job or being labeled as a scab.

P.S. - I've never been on strike, but have seen too many negative effects on your average worker because of a strike.

We're ALL feeding our families, seriously bro!

So do just the DINKS go on strike because they can 'afford' it?

If people break the strike, the strike will go on far longer than anything else and cause more damage.

The people that tried to justify crossing the picket line weren't doing something 'altruistic' like feeding their family. It was more or less paying ex-wives, keeping airplanes and a bunch of other selfish-at-the-time stuff.

People cross picket lines because of:

a. Greed.
b. Thinking they're going to get ahead of the next guy.
or
c. Drunk on company koolaid.

Anyone listening to anyone with experience around here these days?

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

...takes Sprints number outa my cell phone!



Doooooode, seriously, seriously....no, never!