Run up question

I only do rolling run-ups when I am very unfamiliar with an airport or there is no run-up area. With that said, It is annoying to do the run-up in the run-up area only to have someone roll past and do the run-up along with grabbing an IFR clearance (which takes up to 20 minutes at my airport) at the line.
 
Do you runup in the ramp area, or with a quick reposition to the ramp if there's not room, how much money are you wasting to taxi down to the end of the runway, then turn around and taxi back because a mag drops too much.
 
Do you runup in the ramp area, or with a quick reposition to the ramp if there's not room, how much money are you wasting to taxi down to the end of the runway, then turn around and taxi back because a mag drops too much.
Yeah, at my skool o' flite that's not really an option because we have NO room on our ramp. ATC takes us to intersections where we won't hold anything up.
 
Yeah, at my skool o' flite that's not really an option because we have NO room on our ramp. ATC takes us to intersections where we won't hold anything up.

Then reposition out onto the taxiway if its not too busy. That's what we do, works great provided we don't take 15 minutes to do a runup (one of my pet peeves). One runup in the morning, too, that's it. Some people runup every single takeoff and landing. Yes, students need to know to do a runup, so I can see each student doing a runup, but if you're doing a cross country to a nearby airport, you don't need to do a runup before you fly back, maybe a quick cycling of the mags on the taxi, but that's it. IMHO, everyone should adhere to the requirements of turbine aircraft to be ready upon reaching everytime, barring something outside of the ordinary. Just my $.02, but I get fairly upset when four flight school airplanes practically conspire to block the only entrance to the runway you need. That, or taxiing at 3mph on the way to the runway is also frustrating.
 
Again, one taxiway to and from the flight school-no room for arriving, departing, and runup traffic. I see what you're saying, but we've got a way that works for our airport/flight school/ATC setup.

Are there really people on your field that do a full runup after every landing? Good night. That is ridiculous.

With you also on the taxiing slow thing. 15-25 knots unless conditions (congestion, winds, turns) dictate otherwise. The flip side is when a student tries to take a runway exit when you're still doing 30+ knots. Had that one the other day...:panic:
 
Just don't do it in front of me short of the runway.

You have no idea how mad I get when I just followed someone that is taxing half as fast as most people do, then get to sit behind him and watch him do his 5 minute long runup... while I am in a RENTAL. :banghead:

Just go to a remote spot on the ramp before you enter a taxiway (making sure you aren't throwing stuff at people/planes) or do it on a hold pad or run-up pad.
 
Just curious why you wouldn't just taxi over to an empty area on the ramp and do it before you taxi? Or if not empty, just doing it on the ramp as long as no one is parked behind you.

Generally while you are still on the ramp your engines haven't had a long enough time to warm up. Running them on high power isn't the best thing until they are ready.
 
With you also on the taxiing slow thing. 15-25 knots unless conditions (congestion, winds, turns) dictate otherwise. The flip side is when a student tries to take a runway exit when you're still doing 30+ knots. Had that one the other day...:panic:

Having 15 to 25 knots on taxi can be fine until you get an Indian student that slams on the left rudder and brake at the same time to stop the airplane. That's fun stuff!:sarcasm:
 
Generally while you are still on the ramp your engines haven't had a long enough time to warm up. Running them on high power isn't the best thing until they are ready.

Load airplane.

Climb in, check everything a second time, start engines.

Close cowl flaps.

Copy ATIS, get clearance.

Start paperwork.

Engines warm.

Do run up.

Call for taxi.
 
IMO, where you do your runup just depends. There's no right or wrong answer, just a number of different techniques. End of runway, while taxiing (if one feels comfortable enough, knows their aircraft well enough not to get airborne, has the ability to multitask at that moment), at a taxiway intersection, behind the blast fence. All are viable ways depending on which airport you're at, how much traffic is around, what you're allowed to do (ops/company rules or airport rules-wise), what you feel you can do and are comfortable with, etc.

It just depends, IMO.

I personally would do a quick runup on taxiout way back in my cargo days, but there was no chance of my plane getting airborne either, and I had the SA on who was around me and behind me. If that wasn't feasible, then I simply found another place to get it accomplished.

No big deal.
 
PGT said:
...but it's the internetz; everyone thinks their way is the right way.

:yeahthat:

It is amazing how much "technique" comes into play in aviation.

I've learned over the years that many pilots confuse technique and procedure; thinking that their particular techinque must be procedure or must be the best/safest way because they do it that way.

In military flying, the answer to nearly any tactical question is "it depends". Why? Because there's no one answer to any one question.
 
Just don't do it in front of me short of the runway.

You have no idea how mad I get when I just followed someone that is taxing half as fast as most people do, then get to sit behind him and watch him do his 5 minute long runup... while I am in a RENTAL. :banghead:

Just go to a remote spot on the ramp before you enter a taxiway (making sure you aren't throwing stuff at people/planes) or do it on a hold pad or run-up pad.

Agree. But remember, if you choose to wait until the end of runway to do your runup, you run the risk of getting the guy that blocks the runway entrance, calls for IFR release, etc, etc. Should they get out of the way of the intersection entrance when doing their runup? Sure they should. Will they always? Nope.

Just know that's a possibility if you wait to runup at the end of runway when behind someone. Break of the game sometimes.

And yes, it does suck! :D
 
I know you put up the sarcasm warning, but some will think you're serious. For those. Program the GPS in the blocks.


And I have no problem with that...as long as you aren't holding up the show.

...before engine failure checklist complete. :D


Again...if it takes you more than 30 seconds, you're doing something wrong. Know your airplane. The checklist is a checklist...not a see and do list.

-mini

Actually for most bug smasher pilots, checklists ARE taught as read and do checklists.

There were even things that were read and do checklists in the jet and at Amflight. Most things are a flow followed by a checklist, but not all.
 
Interesting stuff... at our home airport/flight school KOUN "have the numbers" is what is used. It is in our school's SOP, and what is expected from the ATC. If you forget to say you have the numbers, they read them to you, if you say "I have the numbers" they just give you your instructions. However, if someone does check in by saying "have the weather/ASOS/AWOS" they accept that too. I just know I hear "have the weather" from non local traffic 9 out of 10 times.

As far as the runup goes, again at the flight school our procedure is to go to the compass rose for the runup (at the ramp). However, non local traffic usually goes to a runup pad at the end of the runway. When I flew out of KHOU ground actually asked us if we were ready for dep. or if we needed a runup. We just flew in about an hour ago so we weren't really worried about another runup. Just was curious if there seemed to be a standard way or if it depended on the airport.
 
...you were referring to...the Twinstar itself. ...is probably accurate :banghead:
:D

Yes. Yes. A thousand times yes. I try to convey that to students...with mixed success.
It's difficult for them to grasp at first. Teach them a flow across the cockpit and teach them to think about what position the switches need to be in for each part of the flight. Spent time on the ground with them. Then let them use the checklist to make sure they didn't forget anything/do anything wrong.

Flow, then check. Flow, then check.

Take the checklist away from them while just sitting in the airplane. Make them go through what is required, then let them read the checklist.
Bingo.

There is no chance in hell that I'll do a rolling run-up in a Cirrus. Too much power on a castering nosewheel, with brakes that have been known to catch fire.
And that's no problem at all. If you don't want to do it, so be it. But saying "that's a good way to get in trouble" is ludicrous. You can't just make blanket statements like that and expect it to apply all the time. If you aren't comfy with it, don't do it.

That being said you can do a runup in less that 20 seconds in a cirrus if you have your together. It's the boneheads that haven't programmed their 430's and various other whiz bang gizmos that holds up the line.
Program that stuff before you start it up. Get a GPU, start up and program it while you're waiting for engine temps to stabilize...your stuff should be programed by the time you hit the taxiway.

I'm sorry mini and your self centered world, if 30 seconds of your time is more valuable than the safety of my flight.
30 seconds of my time is very valuable to me. If you want to do a run-up at a complete stop, pull off somewhere so you aren't holding up the show. That's all that would really piss me off, is if I followed you in the mighty SR22 to the end only to get to wait while you do your 5 minute run-up. How long do you need to watch the RPM drop on the mag check anyway? 30 seconds should be it. Cycle the boots, cycle the prop, check the mags, maybe lean the mixture if it's appropriate, check the electrical load. If you know your airplane it shouldn't take more than 30 seconds. If not, you should be with an instructor learning your airplane.

When I fly, I am the show! :bandit:

...lame joke.
har har har

Load airplane.

Climb in, check everything a second time, start engines.

Close cowl flaps.

Good way to get hot spots on some installations. Leave 'em open and let it warm up slowly most of the time if you can.

I've learned over the years that many pilots confuse technique and procedure; thinking that their particular techinque must be procedure or must be the best/safest way because they do it that way.
Oh it is. You can't do it any other way. You should know that by now. :D:sarcasm:

Actually for most bug smasher pilots, checklists ARE taught as read and do checklists.
...which is a major problem with flight instruction. Teach the student to know their airplane. I don't like omitting checklists entirely (as I know some pilots do), but I hate the idea of being "heads down" because it's time to do the after takeoff checklist. Meanwhile we're 40* off of heading and climbing through assigned altitude....

-mini
 
I just never did an after takeoff checklist...or a climb checklist...or a cruise checklist...or a descent checklist...ahh...yeah never when I was flying 172.

I just kinda flew the airplane.

Bigger planes and I was obviously taught to do all that. But in 172's? I was only taught to run em on the ground, and it never seemed to be an issue for a DE.
 
Bigger planes and I was obviously taught to do all that. But in 172's? I was only taught to run em on the ground, and it never seemed to be an issue for a DE.
Who cares whether or not it's an issue for a DE? Doesn't really seem like it should be the highest of priorities.

-mini
 
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