Run up question

BajtheJino said:
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When you fly out of an airport without an ATIS you report you have "the weather". You don't have numbers. You have weather. End second rant.
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Better rant at the AIM which refers to the phrase "have numbers" for when you have the winds, weather and runway information at a towered airport that is not served by an ATIS and never even mentions "have weather" as a standard communication phrase for any purpose.

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Approach control will issue wind and runway, except when the pilot states "have numbers" or this information is contained in the ATIS broadcast and the pilot states that the current ATIS information has been received.
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I thought I remembered reading something about the AWOS/ASOS "thing" in the AIM so I did a little searching and found this under AIRPORT OPERATIONS. The following is in reference to uncontrolled airfields, but since it is very uncommon for a towered airport to not have ATIS (IMO) this phrasology would apply, and be correct in that instance.
c. Controllers issue SVFR or IFR clearances based on pilot request, known traffic and reported weather, i.e., METAR/Nonroutine (Special) Aviation Weather Report (SPECI) observations, when they are available. Pilots have access to more current weather at uncontrolled ASOS/AWOS airports than do the controllers who may be located several miles away. Controllers will rely on the pilot to determine the current airport weather from the ASOS/AWOS. All aircraft arriving or departing an ASOS/AWOS equipped uncontrolled airport should monitor the airport weather frequency to ascertain the status of the airspace. Pilots in Class E airspace must be alert for changing weather conditions which may effect the status of the airspace from IFR/VFR. If ATC service is required for IFR/SVFR approach/departure or requested for VFR service, the pilot should advise the controller that he/she has received the one-minute weather and state his/her intentions.
EXAMPLE-"I have the (airport) one-minute weather, request an ILS Runway 14 approach." [SIZE=-2]
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AIM, Weather Observing Programs, Paragraph 7-1-12.[/SIZE]
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So... "Tower, N12435 is at Spot 1 with Alpha, taxi to run-up, VFR Departure to the North."
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Better rant at the AIM which refers to the phrase "have numbers" for when you have the winds, weather and runway information at a towered airport that is not served by an ATIS and never even mentions "have weather" as a standard communication phrase for any purpose.

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Approach control will issue wind and runway, except when the pilot states "have numbers" or this information is contained in the ATIS broadcast and the pilot states that the current ATIS information has been received.
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+2.

"Have Numbers" is also defined in the Pilot Controller Glossary too. "Have Weather" I've also never heard of or heard used. I've heard (and request) current "field weather" if I'm checking in with an approach or tower where ATIS/AWOS/ASOS is down or not operating, or there is none. Obviously, for ATIS one would state the appropriate phonetic letter.
 
Not sure how important it is in grand scheme of things, but when you state "have numbers" you are stating that you have the current wind, runway, and altimeter setting so the controller doesn't have to state/repeat that information. It DOES NOT imply that you have the current ATIS, ASOS, or AWOS.
 
AP2B said:
Not sure how important it is in grand scheme of things, but when you state "have numbers" you are stating that you have the current wind, runway, and altimeter setting so the controller doesn't have to state/repeat that information. It DOES NOT imply that you have the current ATIS, ASOS, or AWOS.
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Correct. Mentioned earlier.
 
ctab5060X said:
I think what Ian was trying to say is that the majority of your post concerned proper phraseology as it relates to ATIS, whereas the OP had asked about AWOS/ASOS.

But then again, what do I know?:crazy:
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Ahhh. Mabey I should have quoted Bajthejino. See post #2.
 
mshunter said:
Ahhh. Mabey I should have quoted Bajthejino. See post #2.
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Well, that does make sense. Oh, well...


As for me on run ups, I have done both static and rolling runups.

For me, it all depends on the situation and what I am flying... and just how familiar and comfortable I am in the airplane. For example... easy to do a run up on the roll in an Aztec, not so much in a Beech 18.

Somebody mentioned about doing it while in sequence... done this before and it works well. I usually do it about number 3 or 4 in line so if there is a problem, I don't find out while I am just short of the runway. I have also done plenty of rolling run ups for the same reason... if find something wrong, I haven't taxied the entire length of the airport.
 
Just curious why you wouldn't just taxi over to an empty area on the ramp and do it before you taxi? Or if not empty, just doing it on the ramp as long as no one is parked behind you.
 
Cptnchia said:
I'd like to thank the guy who told ground he was going to do a run up and to warn the plane behind him. Maybe he didn't hear the "Heavy" in our callsign when we were told to follow him, but thanks for thinking of us!:D
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Thats funny... Poor guy...
 
Where there was no run-up pad and there were other aircraft waiting, I have always been asked to turn onto a taxiway short of the end of the runway, and if possible, just depart from that taxiway. Losing 500-1000' on a 6000'+ runway when flying a 172 or Tiger isn't going to make any difference.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Better rant at the AIM which refers to the phrase "have numbers" for when you have the winds, weather and runway information at a towered airport that is not served by an ATIS and never even mentions "have weather" as a standard communication phrase for any purpose.

Example:

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Approach control will issue wind and runway, except when the pilot states "have numbers" or this information is contained in the ATIS broadcast and the pilot states that the current ATIS information has been received.
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Thats fine. It is my experience that if you use this sometimes the controller will come back and still ask if you have the weather.
 
Ian J said:
Just curious why you wouldn't just taxi over to an empty area on the ramp and do it before you taxi? Or if not empty, just doing it on the ramp as long as no one is parked behind you.
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That's the way it was done at EFD when I started flying there in Feb but it almost immediately afterwards changed to at the taxiway.

Barty said:
Losing 500-1000' on a 6000'+ runway when flying a 172 or Tiger isn't going to make any difference.
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Exactly. Now in a bigger plane or smaller runway I can see a problem, but as said in a 172 on a long runway, no factor.
 
Barty said:
Where there was no run-up pad and there were other aircraft waiting, I have always been asked to turn onto a taxiway short of the end of the runway, and if possible, just depart from that taxiway. Losing 500-1000' on a 6000'+ runway when flying a 172 or Tiger isn't going to make any difference.
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Considering typical landing distances can be as low as 700-800', I'd say yeah it could make a difference. It could be the difference between stopping on the runway or ending up in the approach lights off the far end should an engine quit just after takeoff.

-mini
 
Ian J said:
Just curious why you wouldn't just taxi over to an empty area on the ramp and do it before you taxi? Or if not empty, just doing it on the ramp as long as no one is parked behind you.
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Some airports prohibit such operations.


I know of one in particular that I frequent all too often.:rolleyes:
 
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