RUMINT - UAL to charge ID-90s for offline Jumpseaters

kellwolf said:
This is pretty much what Delta just did to us. Don't sit up front on a flight? You gotta pay the $50 Delta fee now as of June 23rd. If your hire date was June 24th and you need to get to work on the 23rd? You're paying $100 since it's due on your anniversary date. I know they're doing it to all the DCI regionals, but it's still crappy to essentially charge for jumpseat privileges. If I'm non-reving, cool. I understand paying the fee, but if I walk up, fill out a JS form, get a seat in the back and the gate agent says "That'll be $50," that's BS.

If United starts to do this, expect to see their reciprocal jumpseat agreements start to dry up.
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Is that for US Airways/Piedmont/PSA (along with everyone else) jumpseaters too? Last time I was on Delta last week I didn't have to pay anything.
 
JaceTheAce said:
The jumpseat wars will begin - I can guarantee it. The poor UAL guys will be left out in the cold - this really sucks. This is gonna have a huge impact on their ability to commute... and my ability to commute if I need to hop on UAL.
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It might be poor us. Who's to say that all the other airlines wont follow United? Especially if they see there is no adverse affect to UAL's operations.
 
JaceTheAce said:
Is that for US Airways/Piedmont/PSA (along with everyone else) jumpseaters too? Last time I was on Delta last week I didn't have to pay anything.
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Delta's policy has nothing to do with any other airline. Just now that if you haven't paid your non rev fee (something we don't have at Airways) you can't fill out a jumpseat card instead to get out of the nonrev fee.

The United thing on the other hand may effect other airlines if it's true they are refusing offline OMCs if there are open cabin seats.
 
BobDDuck said:
Delta's policy has nothing to do with any other airline. Just now that if you haven't paid your non rev fee (something we don't have at Airways) you can't fill out a jumpseat card instead to get out of the nonrev fee.

The United thing on the other hand may effect other airlines if it's true they are refusing offline OMCs if there are open cabin seats.
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Wasn't Delta's jumpseat not open for the longest time, even to their own guys......from something like the mid-90s and previous? Seem to remember something like that.
 
E_Dawg said:
The worst part about it is for UAX regional carriers, the pilots now have to pay a fee to ride on their own airplanes. Nice.
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Count DCI carriers in that now as well. If I want to jumpseat on a 9E flight and don't sit up front, I have to pay the fee. Also, the back has to be full for us to sit up front as well. Looks like a trend is starting.
 
kellwolf said:
Count DCI carriers in that now as well. If I want to jumpseat on a 9E flight and don't sit up front, I have to pay the fee. Also, the back has to be full for us to sit up front as well. Looks like a trend is starting.
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This is how Eagle has done it for years.

I JS'd on a UAL 75 to LAS a couple weeks back and had to sit up front. I warned the Captain that she is going to get alot of guys that are going to want to sit up front just because they are being forced to pay now. She said that they are dealing with the same thing. Its a free ride on mainline, but express they now have to pay for.
 
At AMR, (AA and Eagle) if a pilot or F/A wants to non-rev, they are a D2, and will pay the associated fee (if applicable). Once an employee hits 5 years service, coach travel is then free, but 1st class fee is still charged.

If, and ONLY if there are no cabin seats available, THEN a pilot or F/A may be assigned the 1W (cockpit j/s) or a 1X, 2X, etc (F/A j/s). You will NOT be assigned a jumpseat unless there are no cabin seats left. There is no charge if assigned a j/s, also if there are no coach seats left, and you listed for coach, but there is a F/C seat, you will be given the F/C seat either no charge (if over 5 years) or at the coach fee (under 5 years).
 
kellwolf said:
Count DCI carriers in that now as well. If I want to jumpseat on a 9E flight and don't sit up front, I have to pay the fee. Also, the back has to be full for us to sit up front as well. Looks like a trend is starting.
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It is $50 a year for your entire family to Non-rev. One trip in first class under the old NWA system would cost the same. I think it is a pretty good deal.
 
Buzo said:
It is $50 a year for your entire family to Non-rev. One trip in first class under the old NWA system would cost the same. I think it is a pretty good deal.
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If by 'good deal' you mean 'slippery slope', then yes it is a good deal.

Hell, getting any seat for even half off would be a good deal for many, yet out of the price range of the folks who actually fly the planes.
 
Doug Taylor said:
UAL charging for a union negotiated benefit whose initial intention was to increase safety by allowing pilots to observe pilots.

Sucky.
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Careful, we've got a few guys at ASA who are telling us now that our jumpseats are not a union negotiated benefit.

Buzo said:
It is $50 a year for your entire family to Non-rev. One trip in first class under the old NWA system would cost the same. I think it is a pretty good deal.
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At ASA, and I imagine it's coming to most other DCI companies, the new access fee for TravelNet was $200 per year.
 
For some folks this is their only way to get to work. To put it in perspective, I think it would really infuriate non-flying professionals to learn they had to pay several hundred dollars a year just to show up to their jobs. Yet some seem to simply take it in step, as if they're just glad it's not worse... I'm all for having a good attitude but this in particular is a very slippery slope.

Could you imagine a lawyer who takes a day to get to work and back (and pays several hundred dollars/yr to do so), works 4 days straight, doesn't sleep in his own bed, and makes less than $50k a year?? Some (RAA) would have you believe regional pilots' work rules and such are roughly equivalent to lawyers and doctors. It's really no wonder why we have 20k/yr FOs commuting across the continent on the redeye before starting their workday. Make no mistake about it, pay DOES impact safety. And it's unfortuatnate that NONE of the upcoming safety regulations do anything whatsoever to address it.
 
surreal1221 said:
Careful, we've got a few guys at ASA who are telling us now that our jumpseats are not a union negotiated benefit.



At ASA, and I imagine it's coming to most other DCI companies, the new access fee for TravelNet was $200 per year.
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The fee difference is due to the priority on your own A/C. It is what SkyWest negotiated for you, and you have to pay for it.
 
E_Dawg said:
For some folks this is their only way to get to work. To put it in perspective, I think it would really infuriate non-flying professionals to learn they had to pay several hundred dollars a year just to show up to their jobs. Yet some seem to simply take it in step, as if they're just glad it's not worse... I'm all for having a good attitude but this in particular is a very slippery slope.

Could you imagine a lawyer who takes a day to get to work and back (and pays several hundred dollars/yr to do so), works 4 days straight, doesn't sleep in his own bed, and makes less than $50k a year?? Some (RAA) would have you believe regional pilots' work rules and such are roughly equivalent to lawyers and doctors. It's really no wonder why we have 20k/yr FOs commuting across the continent on the redeye before starting their workday. Make no mistake about it, pay DOES impact safety. And it's unfortuatnate that NONE of the upcoming safety regulations do anything whatsoever to address it.
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Many downtown jobs require the employee to pay for parking. I think they would love to pay $50 a year.
 
Pretty much every UA flight that lands in SFO has a few VX commuters on it. No matter how you feel about VX, you gotta admit this is really going to suck for them.
 
E_Dawg said:
Yes and many airports charge commuters to park as well. I don't know why you're defending the fees.
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Because it is a much better deal than having to pay for first class. My entire family, flies for free for $50 a year. It used to be $44 each way for my parents, and $30 each way for first class.
 
How do you fly 'free' for $50 a year? I'll give you a free car if you give me 10 grand ;)

Anyway they raised it to $200/yr. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it works out for you; I just don't like being a frog in boiling water wondering how hot it's gonna get.
 
I know some captains at my company are fully prepared to deny the jumpseat to UAL guys. The UAL guys are suffering enough right now but there's no way this is acceptable. I don't make enough money to live in base and paying a fee on each airline i commute on will put a huge dent in my wallet.

I'm still confused about this fee though. Is this for people who list on expressnet or something or is this really for everybody? If I call UAL's nonrev line and list for a flight and show up to the ticket counter to hop on the flight so I can make it to work, am I going to have to pay something? Is this already in effect? If not, when does it go into effect?
 
Buzo said:
Because it is a much better deal than having to pay for first class. My entire family, flies for free for $50 a year. It used to be $44 each way for my parents, and $30 each way for first class.
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The thread has sort of derailed but what most have tried to convey on here, is the "pay to play" in order to dead head on several airlines. Delta and DCI pilots have to pay their yearly fee inorder to jumpseat when there are seats available in the back. United is charging all jumpseaters no matter what airline you work for. If you are a Delta pilot jumpseating on UA, and there are seat in the back; they are going to make you get an ID90 in order to jumpseat in the back. It's managment f'n with a union negotiated benefit inorder to make a few bucks.
 
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