Republic to Operate 12 Embraer E170 Jets for Midwest!

UND_Flyer said:
Polar, you've got way too much time on your hands. Shouldn't you be out in Korea sitting reserve with Mr. Lallis? :D
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That post took a good 3 to 5 minutes of my time to write. So, appearantly I had 10 minutes of time to log in, read the thread, write the post....;)

I should be in Korea, but thank god for workrules.

And I have a line, thank you...:D
 
It is sad that RAH is being used to help break the Midwest pilots. I would love to see the RAH pilot stand up for another pilot group and not fly it. But their track record for standing up for another pilot group says something else.

It's kind of ironic that Midwest pilots may fly RAH airplanes. Got to love Karma.

The race to the bottom continues.
 
Clocks said:
Does any pilot group have a track record of standing up for another pilot group in a way that hurt themselves?
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Not recently...But if RAH would screw over Shuttle America pilots they definately won't have a problem doing it to an outside company.
 
I would think Midwest doesn't WANT to do this, but they are forced into it. 9 airplanes certainly isn't an airline, more of a niche charter company. Looks like the $$ invested into it by that private hedge fund (and NWA) went to good use (not!).
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Not recently...But if RAH would screw over Shuttle America pilots they definately won't have a problem doing it to an outside company.
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I don't know, which is why I'm asking...but how far back do you have to look to find a pilot group that sacrificed to help another? And I don't mean "CAL wont give up on scope so that's helping expressjet" sacrifices, I mean a real kick in the nuts to help another pilot group.
 
wheelsup said:
I would think Midwest doesn't WANT to do this, but they are forced into it. 9 airplanes certainly isn't an airline, more of a niche charter company. Looks like the $$ invested into it by that private hedge fund (and NWA) went to good use (not!).
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Precisely. Folks need to realize this is a business and the world doesn't revolve around airline pilots. If the company is sinking and someone comes along and offers a hand I think they're going to take it.

All this roo rah rah about undercutting blah blah is a waste of time in this specific situation. Besides, if you guys want pilot compensation to go up some companies need to go TU. Less competition will result in a better chance of your company making money, which results in a better chance of you getting a raise.

All this pilot unity and kumbah banter is pretty funny when you realize that our companies are competing for the same money(customers) that helps fund our paychecks...
 
Bandit_Driver said:
It is sad that RAH is being used to help break the Midwest pilots. I would love to see the RAH pilot stand up for another pilot group and not fly it. But their track record for standing up for another pilot group says something else.

It's kind of ironic that Midwest pilots may fly RAH airplanes. Got to love Karma.

The race to the bottom continues.
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When you're done blowing BS out of your arse, please explain to me how we're suppose to stop this..?? Please explain. An overwhelming large amount of our pilots oppose this, but our hands are tied. Are we suppose to strike? Tell us what we should do, oh wise one. Also, please explain our "track record".

One more thing, how did we screw over S5 pilots...pilots from our own company?
 
MusketeerMan said:
When you're done blowing BS out of your arse, please explain to me how we're suppose to stop this..?? Please explain. An overwhelming large amount of our pilots oppose this, but our hands are tied. Are we suppose to strike? Tell us what we should do, oh wise one. Also, please explain our "track record".

One more thing, how did we screw over S5 pilots...pilots from our own company?
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Where do I start with the CHQ S5 merger.

CHQ pilots flying on Shuttle Certificate.
All Shuttle Captains Downgraded to FO's
FO's pushed down the list
Captains Pay Frozen
Some FO's taken back to year 1 pay.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Where do I start with the CHQ S5 merger.

CHQ pilots flying on Shuttle Certificate.
All Shuttle Captains Downgraded to FO's
FO's pushed down the list
Captains Pay Frozen
Some FO's taken back to year 1 pay.
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Oh, so you're going back years and years to bring up problems from early on? Puhhleeze! And this is the pilots fault that management made these decisions early on? Take your RAH issues elsewhere.

Yes, our pilots now can fly on any certificate they want and upgrade to any certificate they want. If a 145 upgrade opens up down the road and I want to take it, I can!

Move on. We're a unified pilot group and more importantly, we're unified in regards to the crap that our management is pulling right now.
 
BobDDuck said:
I really wouldn't be arguing with Bandit Driver about what happened between CHQ and S5 unless you know exactly what you are talking about.
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You both are more than welcome to live in the past if you'd like. This situation involves our current management and Midwest's management, does it not? Stick to the current situation...there's zero need to try to dig up crap from the past. Try to make things better instead of digging more holes and putting up walls. Thanks chief!
 
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777forever said:
Precisely. Folks need to realize this is a business and the world doesn't revolve around airline pilots. If the company is sinking and someone comes along and offers a hand I think they're going to take it.

All this roo rah rah about undercutting blah blah is a waste of time in this specific situation. Besides, if you guys want pilot compensation to go up some companies need to go TU. Less competition will result in a better chance of your company making money, which results in a better chance of you getting a raise.

All this pilot unity and kumbah banter is pretty funny when you realize that our companies are competing for the same money(customers) that helps fund our paychecks...
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Alright, you mention a valid point. Pilots are not the only thing in the company.

Where do you draw the line then? At what point do you no longer begin to waive rules to save the company? (not saying that is the case here because I do not know what scope is like at Midwest).

Because I guarantee an airline is not going to intentionally show a large profit. Labor will want their pay back if that happened, and that is not what management wants.

You are chasing a carrot you'll never reach if you think that sacrificing one thing after another to save the company is the way to go.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Where do I start with the CHQ S5 merger.

CHQ pilots flying on Shuttle Certificate.
All Shuttle Captains Downgraded to FO's
FO's pushed down the list
Captains Pay Frozen
Some FO's taken back to year 1 pay.
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We're talking apples and oranges here. First of all, you've proven how tricky RAH management can be, or any airline for that matter.

What you've failed to see is how the Teamsters (God, I can't believe I'm saying this) actually did something really good. They fought back against RAH management, established one seniority list and united the pilot group. RAH tried again to whipsaw its own pilots when they established "Republic Airlines" and once again the Teamsters stepped up and kicked RAH in the nuts and wouldn't allow it. Our pilot group has proven in the past that they can stand together, they fought hard for our contract, our scope and our single seniority list.

Those running the show at RAH can be ruthless, as they have proven in the past. Do NOT confuse their tactics with the moral character of our pilot group. Despite illegal furloughs, downgrades, upgrade bypasses, illegal displacements etc. this pilot group continues to stand behind each other.

You can not even draw a comparison to what happen in the RAH's past with this Midwest deal. Bedford has shareholders with burning eyes through their heads about 17 E170's costing millions of dollars per month sitting in PIT. So much so, that Bedford took a step in a direction he hasn't ever done before.

Its amazing how ignorant people can be. I for one will not have stones cast at me and my pilot group when you or nobody else is any damn better. Nuff said.
 
MusketeerMan said:
You both are more than welcome to live in the past if you'd like. This situation involves our current management and Midwest's management, does it not? Stick to the current situation...there's zero need to try to dig up crap from the past. Try to make things better instead of digging more holes and putting up walls. Thanks chief!
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Your "Current MGMT" is the same management that was there in the previous merger. BB is still pulling the strings, is he not.

Also you claim a large amount of pilots don't like what is going on and oppose it. That is the same story that was given in the Shuttle merger. They may have opposed it but as long as it benefited them it went through.

As said before, Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
 
wheelsup said:
Midwest is losing money, I don't see how Republic would WANT to trade guaranteed money making over "at risk" flying. In reality isn't this just a way to put their Frontier 170's to work? Parking them in PIT has sure got to cost a lot of money.

Also if Midwest goes TU (sure looks like it) chances are Republic has tied that loan to certain assets, much like a DIP loan.
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Ahh, I could answer that one.. For the OPERATING CER-TI-FI-CATE!
 
I am SO glad that I am out of this business. I am also thankful that I got to experience Midwest's "Best care in the air" before everything went to #####. Steak, red wine, and fresh cc cookies. Doesn't get much better.
 
777forever said:
Precisely. Folks need to realize this is a business and the world doesn't revolve around airline pilots. If the company is sinking and someone comes along and offers a hand I think they're going to take it.

All this roo rah rah about undercutting blah blah is a waste of time in this specific situation. Besides, if you guys want pilot compensation to go up some companies need to go TU. Less competition will result in a better chance of your company making money, which results in a better chance of you getting a raise.

All this pilot unity and kumbah banter is pretty funny when you realize that our companies are competing for the same money(customers) that helps fund our paychecks...
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You disappoint me, 777. Hopefully you'll realize at some point that airlines going out of business is not good for any of us.
 
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