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SteveC said:
Go back to my first few years of posting here and you can find LOTS of examples where I had to back pedal on posts. I think I do it less often now. Maybe. :)
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SteveC is a truly inspirational story of a bad-seed that was turned around. His roguish and bold behavior was shaped and formed and then he was able to turn his life around and even become a mod. It is really kind of touching. Like watching an episode of James at 15 or something.
 
SteveC said:
Go back to my first few years of posting here and you can find LOTS of examples where I had to back pedal on posts. I think I do it less often now. Maybe. :)
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So, what your sayin' is, I still have a chance to be a mod here too! :)
 
WacoFan said:
Has nothing to do with experience but has everything to do with our familiarity with the poster. If Zap had come on here...or Polar...or MikeCweb...and asked "Hey, I need to violate someone, how do I do it?" then I imagine that very few people on this thread would even question why, they'd just do answer the question (including probably Boris who's against authority in any form). The reason is that these guys have been around, we know them, we know their temperament - that is the only thing that a post count matters for - familiarity. We don't know this guy well - is he a "sand in the •" type guy, or is he someone whose opinion and temperament we trust? Based on how prickly he got even before we started pouring hot lead on him from the tower I would say "hmm...he may get a little prickly at other things too quickly too".
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And a bit of "benefit of the doubt" will go a long ways in avoiding coming across like a whole bunch of high school kids who have to look out so that the collective meth problem never gets busted. You've got a few larger than life characters who are definitely allowed way more leeway than any other member on the site. I'd say you've got a misconception if you trust a nose punch threatening rowdy's judgement more than someones question about someone potentially busting regs and endangering others along the way. What would you rather have? Someone asking for guidance and tips on how to go about it, or actually a mule that will turn everyone in on the drop of a hat.

Sorry guys. Perspective. Nobody want's your cheese and nobody's gonna steal your bacon.
 
Yes... We... Including myself allow it... Have I typed one sentence that belittles or attacks another persons decision making skills in this thread? I can also see how/why you may have interpreted my post as a personal attack on your mod skillz... Which it wasn't... i am sick and tired of the childish BS... I can get a belly full of this type of nonsense at work so can anyone tell me why I would come here to get a double dose of malarkey?
 
Waco... How about looking at the join date, because I joined this site one month before you. Do I get seniority over you? I have seen they way some are on here, but there are a lot of good people on here as well. I didn't like the way I was treated, that is all you'll hear from me.
 
Cessna414JJB said:
What you wrote makes me wonder what is considered being "qualified" for any job. Is that determined with a proper interview and asking the right questions, or simply a result of that persons internal JC reputation? Imagine what a joke it would be if there is an "online hiring committee" smoking online cigars, determining and calling out who's resume get's walked into the CP's office and which one doesn't... all based on how awesome a member they are on this site. Our industry and hiring procedures already spit smack in the face of equality and common sense and minimum respect by discriminating people solely based on the size of their log book. It's idiotic and corrupt enough without implementing some corrupt little secret incest and "always only hire your own" special opportunity club.
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Qualified as in meets the experience requirements the employer has set forth. Had the guy had a higher post count his personality would have been better known and this entire event could have been averted. People are skeptical about big issues when they don't know the people involved. Doesn't matter if it is online or in person. It also doesn't help when the OP had an incomplete story.

Cessna414JJB said:
I thought JC was for networking and paying it forward?
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Define networking and tell me that isn't what we are looking for in a higher post count?
 
Maurus said:
Define networking and tell me that isn't what we are looking for in a higher post count?
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I'll jump in on that one. Networking/paying it forward isn't about looking for a job through someone here. It's about finding someone else a job and waiting for the Karma to return to you. It also helps to let people know that you are looking for work, but don't go trolling for it.
 
WacoFan said:
SteveC is a truly inspirational story of a bad-seed that was turned around. His roguish and bold behavior was shaped and formed and then he was able to turn his life around and even become a mod. It is really kind of touching. Like watching an episode of James at 15 or something.
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you're next...wac(k)o!

and to be fair, this guy comes on here and gets lambasted until he finally reacted. He reflected the vehemence directed at him.

As far as editing, I have probably written three or four times the content I have published here. Try to write it down and then read it after a break before you publish it.


Lastly, I have said this many times but it bears repeating here... if there are two ways to take something...one way is offensive, and the other isn't, take it as non-offensive. If the other poster wants to offend, he'll make sure you know it was meant that way.
 
Avalon781ML said:
It was actually a movie quote... not that it matters... I find it interesting how an "F you" isn't acceptable yet we allow unmitigated criticism and borderline harassment occur because a guy has an issue and is looking for advice. Way to go team JetCareers! Rather unfortunate that this place is turning into FI.com.
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if you don't report a post, we don't always see it or notice. the only way we can make sure issues like borderline harassment are taken care of is by reporting the post...for that to happen, we need YOU to help US catch these things.

remember, the website is YOURS to mold and direct....we don't want to police it. :)
 
Maurus said:
Qualified as in meets the experience requirements the employer has set forth. Had the guy had a higher post count his personality would have been better known and this entire event could have been averted. People are skeptical about big issues when they don't know the people involved. Doesn't matter if it is online or in person. It also doesn't help when the OP had an incomplete story.
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and that's probably the only time post count might make a difference. If you have an established persona on the board, it might make the hiring company or employee feel more comfortable walking in your resume...but having a higher post count does not necessarily mean established persona either...look at the folks who create threads just to *boost* their post count...that's why post count shouldn't really matter for anything on this site.



Maurus said:
Define networking and tell me that isn't what we are looking for in a higher post count?
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ummm no....post count has no basis in networking or experience. again, take the instance of members creating threads just to boost their post counts...what exactly does that tell you? that post counts shouldn't be used to qualify experience.
 
mshunter said:
I'll jump in on that one. Networking/paying it forward isn't about looking for a job through someone here. It's about finding someone else a job and waiting for the Karma to return to you. It also helps to let people know that you are looking for work, but don't go trolling for it.
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I will 2nd that one... I hope that all ye out there shalln't forget. lol
 
Maurus said:
... Had the guy had a higher post count his personality would have been better known and this entire event could have been averted. People are skeptical about big issues when they don't know the people involved. Doesn't matter if it is online or in person. It also doesn't help when the OP had an incomplete story.
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A mule, looking to expose someone and turn them in with the FAA is probably not going to post about it here. I don't think OP's intent is to do anything, he wanted to hear opinions and vent to people who're supposedly capable of critical thinking.

I believe the event is best averted by either answering the question, asking qualifying questions to do so, or just shutting up. The OP wasn't obligated to provide a full story. Nobody is obligated to answer, discuss, give tips, help or do anything. Some people may have 16000 posts and their true personality/ opinion and attitudes may be perfectly well hidden. You may run into any of them - and unless they wear a JC shirt, nobody would know them from a hole in the wall.

Define networking and tell me that isn't what we are looking for in a higher post count?
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Nothing to define here. Maybe Tram will share some of his candied bacon with you. The fact that your "persona" with the mods and long time members is not perfect or not yet fully established to cool superstar level, should not exclude you from the potential of the site. If it does, or if someone singles you out or calls you a trader or informant to the FAA on their small little special interest club on not much but prejudice, there's not much else to do but find the red X and get lost. It's like fighting the Mafia. You can't win.
 
Kristie said:
and that's probably the only time post count might make a difference. If you have an established persona on the board, it might make the hiring company or employee feel more comfortable walking in your resume...but having a higher post count does not necessarily mean established persona either...look at the folks who create threads just to *boost* their post count...that's why post count shouldn't really matter for anything on this site.


ummm no....post count has no basis in networking or experience. again, take the instance of members creating threads just to boost their post counts...what exactly does that tell you? that post counts shouldn't be used to qualify experience.
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I never said a post count qualifies as experience. In what you quoted from me I said.

Had the guy had a higher post count his personality would have been better known
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This little feature can tell a lot about a person on the forum. The more posts, the better we get to know someone's personality. Part of networking is contributing to the community. If we see a high amount of posts we can get a more accurate gauge on a persons contributions when looking through their post history. If it is filled with +1's then we can see how worthless the poster really is from a personality/contribution point of view.

I am not saying we can blindly look at a post count and assume a person is legit, but a high post count does let us look into their past. This is especially helpful when you are looking to drop over $10,000 on someone.

Webster said:
net·work·ing

noun
Definition of NETWORKING

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: the exchange of information or services among individuals, groups, or institutions; specifically : the cultivation of productive relationships for employment or business
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You can't build a relationship without communication (posting). If someone isn't active how can we just assume everything they say is legit?



Cessna414JJB said:
A mule, looking to expose someone and turn them in with the FAA is probably not going to post about it here. I don't think OP's intent is to do anything, he wanted to hear opinions and vent to people who're supposedly capable of critical thinking.

I believe the event is best averted by either answering the question, asking qualifying questions to do so, or just shutting up. The OP wasn't obligated to provide a full story. Nobody is obligated to answer, discuss, give tips, help or do anything. Some people may have 16000 posts and their true personality/ opinion and attitudes may be perfectly well hidden. You may run into any of them - and unless they wear a JC shirt, nobody would know them from a hole in the wall.
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Don't you think if the OP gives a story he should at least give us the reason why someone would need a violation before getting others involved? I would think just asking "how do you X" with no story would have been better. I do realize in this thread that only a couple people incited the crazy, but others do want to know what happened before helping end someones career.


Cessna414JJB said:
Nothing to define here. Maybe Tram will share some of his candied bacon with you. The fact that your "persona" with the mods and long time members is not perfect or not yet fully established to cool superstar level, should not exclude you from the potential of the site.
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You aren't excluded at all, but in order to network you need to communicate. You can't just show up and expect a job at FedEx. There will be some individual posters that will seem to ruin it for everyone, but a trained eye will learn to ignore them.
 
Did anyone actually ask the question "was he operating IMC in controlled airspace without an IFR clearance?" Just asking, because it's perfectly legal to blast into uncontrolled airspace without an ATC clearance, IMC or VMC. Not saying smart, but legal. In some parts of the country, Class G still goes up pretty high. We aren't taking about being smart, per se, we're talking about getting people in trouble with the feds--two different things.
 
Maurus said:
Don't you think if the OP gives a story he should at least give us the reason why someone would need a violation before getting others involved? I would think just asking "how do you X" with no story would have been better. I do realize in this thread that only a couple people incited the crazy, but others do want to know what happened before helping end someones career.
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My feeling tells me, that if he had done that, the lashing would have been the same. The problem was that people perceived what OP wrote as if he was going to blindly crank the FAA up against some harmless, poor airman. It's not the first time I see this Fed- Fear. I used to make the naive mistake of having information about my FAAST Master Wings on my pilot resume. One day I found out that I should not be surprised that I am not being hired. After all, I'd come across like a mule as long as there was any mention of FAA on your resume. I should not be surprised that my resume goes to the ultimate T bin, because I was "in bed with the fed". Who wants to be part of such a game?

You aren't excluded at all, but in order to network you need to communicate. You can't just show up and expect a job at FedEx. There will be some individual posters that will seem to ruin it for everyone, but a trained eye will learn to ignore them.
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I see that and agree with it. The sound of reason is apparent in both our posts and I don't see us as having a disagreement. The members who told OP he's to be punched in the nose will stay in Prunk and Gloria, probably even without getting warned, while another gets a ding (and upon asking/ verifying a DONG) for joking with a member he knew, about their username) and that's really all that matters. It sets the tone and shuts people like me up.
 
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