I wouldn't take a personal check from a person that doesn't drink. Now if you don't drink because there's an underlying background with addiction or alcoholism, any day.
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I wouldn't take a personal check from a person that doesn't drink. Now if you don't drink because there's an underlying background with addiction or alcoholism, any day.
turbomax97
What can brown do for you?
But it's easier to complain than take a moment to understand
Exactly.
Horse. Water. Why don't they drink.
turbomax97
What can brown do for you?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I'm going to preface all this by saying I"m kind of in a grumpy mood because the company was screwing around with us today and I don't particularly like wasting my time like that. But...
That's really disingenuous because for every few guys that bust their ass (which I can totally say here) AND get lucky and end up at Delta or where ever, there are two or three other guys that bust their ass JUST as hard if not harder and STILL are left slinging gear at a regional somewhere. Every time you sound the great big brass trumpets of success and lead the choir in a sing along of praise about the "underlying work" the guy who made it did to get to where he is now, and yet somehow leave out the part about the big tattoos he has on his ass (which I can still say) cheeks that say LUCK and TIMING, you are emotionally smacking the snot out of those other three guys who worked just as hard but didn't get inked.
Yes, you've got to be hungry, but that is not the whole story and it gets REALLY old hearing the choir sing that song some times.
And screw that. I don't drink because I don't want to. No addiction or other issues in my background. Somehow my last few NJC checks cleared with no problem though so who the hell knows what's up.
That's really disingenuous because for every few guys that bust their ass (which I can totally say here) AND get lucky and end up at Delta or where ever, there are two or three other guys that bust their ass JUST as hard if not harder and STILL are left slinging gear at a regional somewhere. Every time you sound the great big brass trumpets of success and lead the choir in a sing along of praise about the "underlying work" the guy who made it did to get to where he is now, and yet somehow leave out the part about the big tattoos he has on his ass (which I can still say) cheeks that say LUCK and TIMING, you are emotionally smacking the snot out of those other three guys who worked just as hard but didn't get inked.
Yes, you've got to be hungry, but that is not the whole story and it gets REALLY old hearing the choir sing that song some times.
And screw that. I don't drink because I don't want to. No addiction or other issues in my background. Somehow my last few NJC checks cleared with no problem though so who the hell knows what's up.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Anyone who has done any professional interview prep would also know that this is a big, regularly asked question at jB interviews...so that goes beyond just knowing general knowledge about the company.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You know, if you just said "I don't like the taste," I could live with that. But this? Ugh.
Damn, you are grouchy today.
Pro tip: if your post is even more "get off my lawn" in tone than my typical post, you should probably refrain.
wheelsup said:
Terrible.
You don't vote no on concessions only to chase upgrade to one of the worst contracts in the industry. I swear, it's like people don't realize why the concessionary TAs keep coming. You chase movement, airplanes, and bases with no regards to starting over at $20/hr or stepping on your fellow pilots who are trying to hold the line.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Concessionary? I'd happily give up the entire compass contract to get what PSA has for line improvement. PSA and XJT are the only two airlines with real line improvement.
I actually have nothing against the senior FO's who hold on for whatever reasons they may be. In fact, I appreciate what you're doing because #1: it means I'm one step closer to upgrade, and #2: it's one less CA that will get a phone call before they start to pursue high time FO's like us.
jtrain609 said:
LIW is a small part of the contract. It's nice, yeah. What about benefits, pay caps, and other work rules? I know you don't personally think the PSA contract is industry leading?
You keep the movement going by keeping the costs low. That's impossible at surejet because we have more lifers on the list than anything else. How to you keep costs low? Dangle a quick upgrade and new airplanes, they'll come running for first year pay effectively solidifying the race to the bottom. I can only hope the regionals fold and all the flying goes back to mainline because with this whole "get mine now" attitude we have left an absolute mess for kids aspiring to fill our seats in the future.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Industry leading? No, that's Air Wisconsin and ExpressJet. But concessionary? I can't agree with that. PSA's work rules are far superior to the entire TSH group, and likely Skywest too.
You are correct that you keep overall costs low by keeping longevity low. XJT could have GoJet's contract and they'd still be one of the most expensive regionals out there.
I know, I was just messing with Cherokee something or rather.
I come from a family of teetotalers, I'm not sure what happened to me because I sure ain't.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
Fair enough certainly not trying to be a Dick. I do apologize how it came across.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
I'm not arguing with you, but I think I can add a few counterpoints.
I hear a lot "I'm busting my ass just as hard" and I am not sure that a lot of people realize that there is a difference between busting your ass at work and busting your ass outside of work to get the job you want. Seeking the big job is a full time job in itself. This is a painfully obvious concept to some and yet to many others, they truly can't seem to make the connection.
If you aren't spending hours researching your chosen airline's hiring procedures, you aren't busting your ass.
If you are not making every effort to network, you aren't busting your ass.
If you aren't attending job fairs, you aren't busting your ass.
If you aren't picking every person's brain who has recently gone through the interview process, you aren't busting your ass.
If you aren't updating your app at least weekly, you aren't busting your ass.
If you aren't getting people as many people as possible to scan through your app for typos, YABYA.
If you aren't volunteering in the community on your time off (and preferably for an organization that the airline sponsors) YABYA.
If you aren't at least considering furthering your education in some form YABYA.
If you find yourself ever saying "I don't have the time for this on my days off," or "why should I have to drop $200 to attend XYZ job fair" or "I am an excellent employee at ABC regional and I have 3000 hours of TPIC and if ETC airline doesn't like it they can KMA." well, cool story bro, but there are thousands of guys with the same credentials who are working harder.
And yes, after doing everything possible, it still takes some luck. And some guys still aren't getting calls. But who knows, they could very well be in the short stack of applications who could receive a call this week. I know for a fact, every single person I know that has gotten a call from an airline recently was not expecting it to come. @Trip7 was not expecting to get a call as soon as he did. @Derg was not expecting to get that call with no TPIC. @Gonzo just happened to be BSing with a guy one day who ended up hooking him up.
@BobDDuck you had to bust your ass to get where you were too. You had some pitfalls too, and you still kept moving on. I don't think there is anything wrong with the trumpet and the songs of praise for new hires because it's intended to keep people in a positive frame of mind. I know that I've needed the pep talk before, and I'm sure you have as well.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
To be fair, there are people doing "all of the above" and still haven't gotten a call.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
I know. I made mention of that. Who's to say they won't get the call this afternoon.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
One thing I finally figured out is I would've traded every ounce of QOL I experienced at my commuter to get hired a year earlier at my present gig.
Yes, QOL is nice but every month you spend at your commuter makes your QOL quickly fall at the next stop. Just 4 months in hiring at my place is the difference of having a solid schedule 16+ days off after one month of short call vs. sitting short call reserve 18 days in a pad for what's going to amount to around 18 months at least.
When do you want your QOL? For a couple years at a commuter or for 35 at your major?
QOL was overplayed by the double whammy age 65/2008 recession. It scared a lot of guys going forward.