PSA New Hire FO Classes Suspended

BEEF SUPREME said:
So not to be a total dick or anything but if I wanted to make the jump to 121:

How does this whole street captain thing work? And BTW I watched 24 people upgrade, out of seniority when I was hoping to upgrade at another job. So I know it's a mixed bag.
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You'd go through the normal indoc/training footprint but then also do "captain school" (which I have no idea how PSA does now but at the time I went through consisted of the president/CEO sticking his head through the door and saying "be smart... don't break my airplanes.") You'll then do Left Seat IOE and then get cut loose to the line.

For longevity purposes (vacation accrual, 401K etc etc) you'll be starting at year one. As far as seniority goes, your number will be at the bottom of the list, but you will be bidding (and flying) as a captain. That means that every single FO on property at the time of your hire will be senior to you when they upgrade. However, they can only upgrade when there is a vacancy so you won't be bumped down to FO just because an current FO who is senior to you wants to be (or is now eligible time wise to be) captain. The only way you'd end up an FO was if there was a reduction in captain slots in which case, as the most junior guy you'd be the first one displaced back to FO or (if you are really junior as an FO also, which, when initially hired you would be) furloughed.

It's a gamble, but street captain spots *normally* work out pretty well for the guys taking them.
 
deadstick said:
Anybody who was around in 08 should not be surprised by this.
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Yup. The bubble just got pushed.

Back in 07/08 Street Captains were being hired by Mesaba, Colgan, Compass, GoJet, Mesa, Lynx, and possibly a couple others I'm forgetting. The players are just different this time. Any place where upgrades start dropping sub-18 months means there is a strong possibility for street captains with the new ATP rules.
 
BobDDuck said:
You'd go through the normal indoc/training footprint but then also do "captain school" (which I have no idea how PSA does now but at the time I went through consisted of the president/CEO sticking his head through the door and saying "be smart... don't break my airplanes.") You'll then do Left Seat IOE and then get cut loose to the line.

For longevity purposes (vacation accrual, 401K etc etc) you'll be starting at year one. As far as seniority goes, your number will be at the bottom of the list, but you will be bidding (and flying) as a captain. That means that every single FO on property at the time of your hire will be senior to you when they upgrade. However, they can only upgrade when there is a vacancy so you won't be bumped down to FO just because an current FO who is senior to you wants to be (or is now eligible time wise to be) captain. The only way you'd end up an FO was if there was a reduction in captain slots in which case, as the most junior guy you'd be the first one displaced back to FO or (if you are really junior as an FO also, which, when initially hired you would be) furloughed.

It's a gamble, but street captain spots *normally* work out pretty well for the guys taking them.
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You also remain the plug in category as a captain. Every FO who upgrades goes in front of you. You will be on reserve forever.
 
Aero Crew Solutions said:
PSA is still recruiting First Officers, just not at the 60/Month. They are going to run a few Direct Entry Captain classes in June/July then pick back up with FOs (at a date TBD). They have about 100 FOs in the training pipeline waiting for sim or IOE so there is a bit of a backlog. They are still on track for 71 more airplanes over the next 2 years.

They will be recruiting for Direct Entry Captains as First Officers at our upcoming Dallas Job Fair on July 17th
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Not that I don't believe you, but can you cite some kind of source? Some kind of advertisement saying DECs?
 
We had a few street captains at Skyway, not necessarily because we needed captains and we were short, they were buddies of the chief pilot.

One guy was good, one guy didn't have a lick of experience in the aircraft and there was a lot of 'training by first officer" going on and then they moved him to the training department.
 
BobDDuck said:
For longevity purposes (vacation accrual, 401K etc etc) you'll be starting at year one. As far as seniority goes, your number will be at the bottom of the list, but you will be bidding (and flying) as a captain. That means that every single FO on property at the time of your hire will be senior to you when they upgrade. However, they can only upgrade when there is a vacancy so you won't be bumped down to FO just because an current FO who is senior to you wants to be (or is now eligible time wise to be) captain. The only way you'd end up an FO was if there was a reduction in captain slots in which case, as the most junior guy you'd be the first one displaced back to FO or (if you are really junior as an FO also, which, when initially hired you would be) furloughed.
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If there is a reduction in CA slots in your base, but not overall (for example, flying is shifted to another base) would you also be displaced to FO in this scenario?
 
Vyse said:
If there is a reduction in CA slots in your base, but not overall (for example, flying is shifted to another base) would you also be displaced to FO in this scenario?
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There isn't language in the current PSA contract that addresses that. I'm reaching back without actually reading the language but the language does talk about reductions in flying. This generates a vacancy bid which is filled by seniority. The resulting vacancies AFTER the bid are where the displaced pilots who couldn't hold what they wanted by seniority go. That said, if there isn't a REDUCTION in total number of captain slots there shouldn't be any new captain vacancies created so the most junior captain should stay the most junior captain. Of course the language doesn't actually address that, so hopefully something in the DEC letter talks about. I very vaguely remember having a discussion about this during negotiations (not at the table) and somebody saying something like "street captains at PSA? hah... that will never happen. Not something we need to worry about." Amazing how things change.
 
BobDDuck said:
I think I said that in the text you quoted.

That said, if the movement they are having continues, it would be less than a year for a new hire to hold captain anyway, so forever in this case isn't actually forever.
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Eh, you probably did. Too busy enjoying my cold Icelandic beer to read carefully.
 
Seggy said:
Please don't tell me you wear the hat without the blazer.
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Year-round.
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Seggy said:
Why?
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Habit, mostly. (Although honestly (1) I'm very used to it, (2) It sets you out as a flight crew member when you are upstairs dealing with customer service, and (3) "Where's your lid, kid" is a common question I get on the odd occasion I run into Dad.)

And since the coat is technically required year-round here (although @ComplexHiAv8r apparently doesn't even own one...)...
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I think I've not taken it with me on this airplane maybe once or twice, actually. It's still very much "jacket weather" everywhere I've been going.
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So the two times you didn't bring it you were not in compliance with your uniform standards?

Do you really just wear the hat without the blazer because....Delta?
 
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