PSA CRJ-700 AA midair collision

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I do discuss. And question currebtnn B procedures / rules in place. And fair questioning, considering 67 people are dead in the worst Pax 121 accident in 16 yrs.
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Self awareness, emotional intelligence, even now.

Reread your previous statement.
 
Apparently everyone sees this as “new information” and is drawing the conclusion that the terrible DEI hire deliberately collided with the airliner. I absolutely hate the media.
 
My coworker told me that there was some new info that the blackhawk had a voice recorder and the CWO said something like "I think they want us to go left for traffic"

If I can find a source I'll post it
 
GroundPilot said:
My coworker told me that there was some new info that the blackhawk had a voice recorder and the CWO said something like "I think they want us to go left for traffic"

If I can find a source I'll post it
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From the article

The Black Hawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with the jet. Warrant Officer Eaves then turned his attention to Captain Lobach.
He told her he believed that air traffic control wanted them to turn left, toward the east river bank.
Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and Flight 5342, which was heading for Runway 33 at an altitude of roughly 300 feet.
She did not turn left.
 
NovemberEcho said:
From the article

The Black Hawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with the jet. Warrant Officer Eaves then turned his attention to Captain Lobach.
He told her he believed that air traffic control wanted them to turn left, toward the east river bank.
Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and Flight 5342, which was heading for Runway 33 at an altitude of roughly 300 feet.
She did not turn left.
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The lucky thing was that this particular L-model Hawk had a CVR. The majority of these models and earlier models, do not.

What isn’t revealed (yet) is an analysis, based on the CVR, on what might have been the mental workload at the time of the pilot flying, possibly expressed in response(s), or lack of responses, to the IP in the minutes prior to this 15-second to impact point. Regardless, as PIC, the IP is ultimately responsible for the safety of the training flight. Many training accidents have, and will continue to have, the causal factor of “IP/CFI failed to intervene in a timely manner to prevent…..”
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Dang. You’d think DCA would show some love to AA. Guess not.



View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/1K2vMtdhb2A
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Wow, you couldn't pay me to talk on the mic that way to pilots or ATC LOL. SFO had a guy like that initials AX (retired years back)...I'd cringe so hard hearing him belittle people all the time over nothing. Do people understand it's actually free to not adopt that personality?
 
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Oh, goodie.
 
NovemberEcho said:
From the article

The Black Hawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with the jet. Warrant Officer Eaves then turned his attention to Captain Lobach.
He told her he believed that air traffic control wanted them to turn left, toward the east river bank.
Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and Flight 5342, which was heading for Runway 33 at an altitude of roughly 300 feet.
She did not turn left.
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Yikes
 
ChasenSFO said:
Wow, you couldn't pay me to talk on the mic that way to pilots or ATC LOL. SFO had a guy like that initials AX (retired years back)...I'd cringe so hard hearing him belittle people all the time over nothing. Do people understand it's actually free to not adopt that personality?
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I've always thought that all getting into it with a guy on Freq is going to do is get me featured in a Youtube video I dont want to be in, where a bunch of monday morning QB's will tell me in the comments how bad a controller I am, lol. Not worth it.

Now after I unkey the mic.......if some of those comments ever went out I wouldve been fired a long time ago. And I assume thats happening on the pilots side aswell lmao
 
nabbyfan said:
I've always thought that all getting into it with a guy on Freq is going to do is get me featured in a Youtube video I dont want to be in, where a bunch of monday morning QB's will tell me in the comments how bad a controller I am, lol. Not worth it.

Now after I unkey the mic.......if some of those comments ever went out I wouldve been fired a long time ago. And I assume thats happening on the pilots side aswell lmao
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Same for pilots who argue on the radio, they just make themselves look like jackasses. If a very quick explanation of something for clarity purposes needs to be said over the radio, that’s fair. Any further argument, both parties need to take it to the landline later. There’s still traffic to be controlled that ATC has to do (for the controller), and there’s more aircraft out there to be sequenced/separated than just you (for the pilots).
 
MikeD said:
Same for pilots who argue on the radio, they just make themselves look like jackasses. If a very quick explanation of something for clarity purposes needs to be said over the radio, that’s fair. Any further argument, both parties need to take it to the landline later. There’s still traffic to be controlled that ATC has to do (for the controller), and there’s more aircraft out there to be sequenced/separated than just you (for the pilots).
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Airline pilots should be required to tour a busy TRACON or ARTCC once every few years, and controllers should be required to observe in the flight deck on a flight through their airspace every so often, I’m convinced that would help a lot on both sides.

And because that makes so much sense, the FAA took away flight deck training for controllers under the guise of COVID, but actually because of the optics of bad staffing and having a guy ostensibly on vacation while his area is working one under. Wish they’d bring it back.
 
Working for six months as an ATA at LA Tracon back in the mid-80's was a highlight of my career. Weird to say but that was a very cool experience where I learned what is going on at the other end of the mike. Gave me mad respect for ATC. It is funny what the controllers would blurt out after unkeying the mike. Especially directed at non-native english speaking airlines.
 
DE727UPS said:
Working for six months as an ATA at LA Tracon back in the mid-80's was a highlight of my career. Weird to say but that was a very cool experience where I learned what is going on at the other end of the mike. Gave me mad respect for ATC. It is funny what the controllers would blurt out after unkeying the mike. Especially directed at non-native english speaking airlines.
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Oh, I'm *certain* I've caused some key-off "...you •" utterances from someone behind a scope.
 
nabbyfan said:
Airline pilots should be required to tour a busy TRACON or ARTCC once every few years, and controllers should be required to observe in the flight deck on a flight through their airspace every so often, I’m convinced that would help a lot on both sides.

And because that makes so much sense, the FAA took away flight deck training for controllers under the guise of COVID, but actually because of the optics of bad staffing and having a guy ostensibly on vacation while his area is working one under. Wish they’d bring it back.
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I've always said this. I've written numerous letters to various congress critters about it.
 
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