PSA CRJ-700 AA midair collision

[ChasenSFO]

Such a nightmare...really anxious to find out if anyone made it out.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Correct. But doesn’t TRACON own the airspace design, in terms of routes, altitudes, etc; as it would come to any remaking of same?

Not that low. That’s likely bravo surface area which is owned by tower.

 

[Maurus]

How about we stop the speculation for a sec and PLEASE do not forget the resources that are available for people. CIRP is a excellent tool if you are impacted by this. Do not hesitate to make the call.

Do not fly if you are not emotionally or mentally ready.

 

[bbmikej]

Such a nightmare...really anxious to find out if anyone made it out.

Reports are saying 4 have been pulled from the Potomac so far.

 

[H46Bubba]

Not that low. That’s likely bravo surface area which is owned by tower.

Our pilots would be on with DCA tower while on the route.

 

[Roger Roger]

The available data, again still unsure of the veracity of it, sure looks like the helo deviates from the published route on the east side of the river and directly into the aircraft.

 

[MikeD]

Not that low. That’s likely bravo surface area which is owned by tower.

I’m poisoned by U90 ops, which delegates very little to the two airport towers in their Class C.

 

[MikeD]

Our pilots would be on with DCA tower while on the route.

Correct. As they were here.

 

[Bob Ridpath]

Some reports suggest that the CRJ landed OK. I seriously doubt that.

Did both aircraft go down, as I suspect?

 

[bbmikej]

Helo Route1/Route 4 appears to show 200 and below in that area.

 

[MikeD]

Helo Route1/Route 4 appears to show 200 and below in that area.

Route 1 appears to be 200 and below. Route 4 is 1000, as 200 would directly conflict with landing traffic to DCA on 33

 

[phill1174]

Such a nightmare...really anxious to find out if anyone made it out.

10 survivors is what I’m hearing so far. Who knows until it’s all officially said and done. I might shut my phone off until more official news comes out. Waking up to this didn’t help the funk I was already in.

 

[Kingairer]

Route 1 appears to be 200 and below. Route 4 is 1000, as 200 would directly conflict with landing traffic to DCA on 33

Verifying video but..just saw a radar scope imagine on our other site, and holy moly they were set up for failure.

 

[MikeD]

The recording I have heard sounds like the time from call out to impact is very brief. It quite plausible they called out the wrong traffic since there was likely one hot on their trail landing on runway 1. Alot going on in a short amount of time and small amount of airspace.

Absolutely. I’d think the Helo crew, who flies out there for a living, would recognize traffic on final for 33, versus one still on final for 1 or one circling east for 33. Especially at the distances between traffic. Hard to say.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Where are you guys hearing about survivors?

 

[H46Bubba]

It's changed since I last flew the route. You used to be able to fly directly up and down the Potomac centerline at 200'. It was sketch back then. Never flew the route when they were using 33.

 

[Get-home-itis]

I realize that TCAS systems vary, but on my current aircraft, all RAs are inhibited on approach below 900ft. All TCAS aural warnings are inhibited below 500ft. Other aircraft I've flown are similar. If ADSB tracks are correct, the RJ was around 300ft and therefore would not have had any aural warnings. And let's face it, at 300 ft on a circle approach, those pilots are laser focused at looking at the runway, not up and down the river for traffic

 

[bbmikej]

Route 1 appears to be 200 and below. Route 4 is 1000, as 200 would directly conflict with landing traffic to DCA on 33

The description says below 200 north of the Wilson bridge

 

[MikeD]

I realize that TCAS systems vary, but on my current aircraft, all RAs are inhibited on approach below 900ft. All TCAS aural warnings are inhibited below 500ft. Other aircraft I've flown are similar. If ADSB tracks are correct, the RJ was around 300ft and therefore would not have had any aural warnings. And let's face it, at 300 ft on a circle approach, those pilots are laser focused at looking at the runway, not up and down the river for traffic

Yeah, no need to have an RA that potentially directs one into the ground.

And the last sentence, is another reason the CRJ wouldn’t be given any separation responsibility, they’re busy enough as is. As well as having the right of way.

 

[FlyingAccountant]

Where are you guys hearing about survivors?

I saw four survivors reported on NBC News. Or at least four people who were pulled from the Potomac and rushed to the hospital.