Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours ...

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jrh said:
Totally off topic, but why on earth would you have this kind of experience and want to go fly for a regional?

If I were you, I'd be thankful I'd busted so many rides. It's what's keeping you from messing up your life ;)
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haha You know I think that a lot to be honest....I truly wouldn't be trying for it so bad if my current King Air gig was set in stone for a while.(Owner of plane is sick and elderly, may sell it if he gets worse)
 
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CDNPilotDave said:
Does anyone know where this information is recorded? How far back do records go?
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As far as I know failed checkrides will stay on your FAA record forever. You can get your record from the FAA for a few bucks if you want to see it.
 
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MFT1Air said:
I am now curious what the rationale was for each of these entities to decide on this magical number 3. It doesn't seem absurd; it is absurd. This policy is analogous to absolutely nothing logical.

In your specific situation, you have one "bust" as a manipulator of the controls and two "busts" in instructional situations which for me is far too subjective a situation. Ludicrious.

The checkride failures should be only a portion of the whole pilot consideration for 121 selection. Kneejerk reaction.

Sorry to hear that. Makes me wanna right a letter/email verbalizing my dissatisfaction with the policy.

Matter of fact, I'm drafting one now.
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It is absurd...but thats what they want to do for now then not much we can do at the moment. Real bummer...I can understand 3 busts and trying to get hired at 250 hours total time.
But 3 busts years ago and so many hours ago just bothers me that its a factor.

Thanks for all the responses guys.
 
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You have flown 3000 total safe and sound hours and they are worried about what you did 2700 hours ago? That is absolutely absurd. I have 330 hours and 1 bust for my initial CFI. I'm a cfi/MEI now. It does make you not want to take checkrides. I was hearing that 2 busts was the max at Colgan.
 
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Colgan also considers a stage check failure as part of a 141 training program equal to a checkride bust.

Retarded? I think so

Forgot to add:

Colgan also requires disclosure of any letter of discontinuance you have from any checkrides
 
Re: Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours

jrh said:
Totally off topic, but why on earth would you have this kind of experience and want to go fly for a regional?

If I were you, I'd be thankful I'd busted so many rides. It's what's keeping you from messing up your life ;)
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Jim Rome would RACK that take
 
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As a result of the crash, colgan will not touch you with 2 of any failures. Sorry, it sucks, but the backlash if anything happened with you flying is not something companies are willing to deal with.
 
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dhc2tacksby said:
Who says that regional airline flying is the only thing in Aviation to make a career out of?
I don't fly a jet, but I make more money than a lot of people who do.

It's good to have goals, but in any business, let alone this one, you have to be willing to give, not just take along that path towards your goal.
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I never really meant to make a career out of the airlines...when the last hiring spree was going I never even applied.

Ive been doing the corporate thing now for a little while and my current gig may not last to much longer so I'm looking to try new things. Doesn't have to be airlines or a jet for that matter but I just need that lead for a new gig like most of us.
 
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I've had more 135 job interviews than I'd like to have had, and I can't remember one in which I was asked about checkride failures. To be fair, they do get your PRIA paperwork, and I suppose it's possible that a certain number of failures would raise an eyebrow or two, but I failed two (initial instrument...did an ILS to a runway, came back around for the VOR to the same runway and didn't change frequencies...CFI initial...nuff said, with the Feds, everyone fails their CFI initial at least once), and no one has ever said word one about it. This is typical big company damage control...identify one factor, "fix" the problem by judging entirely based on that one factor, and show Ma Government that you're "doing something". The good news is that, as someone above mentioned, there are lots of good jobs in flying that don't involve an RJ.

That said, if you want to fly for a regional, keep at it. There are companies that at least have the reputation of being less lockstep than the Beagle or (now) Colgan regarding these sorts of things. Skywest springs to mind, as does Horizon (who are hiring now, I think). Good luck, don't let the turkeys get you down.
 
Re: Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours

Hey man, I'm in the exact same boat. 2 busts on instructional issues, nothing to do with flying and 1 bust for doing a go-around on a power off 180.

Funny thing is, I have been doing 141 stage checks and checkrides for a few years now and I see the disparity between examiners on a daily basis. I know of some great pilots with a few busts and also know some pretty bad pilots with none, a checkride is not all telling. Hopefully like others have said this is a temporary response to the Colgan crash. I'm definitely not saying that failed checkrides should not be investigated by a hiring board, but they should also not be an automatic disqualifier due to how inconsistent GA checkrides really are.
 
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Right now the airlines are on this 3 checkride bust thing because of the 3407 crash. It's the flavor of the month and it "looks good" to those that don't know any better. This too will pass in the next several months. Just hang tight.

Joe
 
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The 3 bust thing really makes me angry. It truly is a knee jerk reaction to the media. Like someone else said, they have not done alot to fix the biggest issues that arose from the Colgan crash. Limiting checkride busts is an easy one while the supply is large. My money is that it changes next year.

I had a friend interview with Eagle the first week they started interviewing. He had over 2000 hours, 1000 Multi, an ATP rating, glowing recommendations, and perhaps one of the hardest workers I have ever met with a great attitude in life. He did not get hired. It really sucks, but in the end karma worked; he has a great corporate job and would laugh at Eagle today.
 
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TUCKnTRUCK said:
As a result of the crash, colgan will not touch you with 2 of any failures.
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No worries. I wouldn't touch Colgan with a ten foot pole, so I guess we're even. If they'd rather hire puppymill gear-swingers than guys who have ever had a real checkride, best of luck to them. At least the pay can stay low.
 
Re: Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours

If you wind the clock back you will find 1 bust, less than 20/20 vision, perfect health but a family history of certain medical conditions, lack of military experience, and several other non issues would eliminate you from consideration for a part 121 job.

Hiring standards were in freefall for years until Marvin Renslow changed the world. Like it or not the close scrutiny on checkride busts is not going away. The days of look the other way, don't ask don't tell, wink-wink is over.

Ironically, Marvin Renslow did more to raise the bar than any other one individual in the history of aviation.
 
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Somebody said something similar once on this forum, but having an airline not hire you because of a couple of checkride busts that occurred over 5-10 years ago is kind of like a school not hiring an english teacher because they bombed a couple spelling tests in 4th grade.
 
Re: Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours

Somebody said something similar once on this forum, but having an airline not hire you because of a couple of checkride busts that occurred over 5-10 years ago is kind of like a school not hiring an english teacher because they bombed a couple spelling tests in 4th grade.
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It is kind of funny really. We are standing up to the TSA. Our unions are on TV telling the American public we won't go through Xray machines because they are unsafe, but we won't stand up and say that this stuff is stupid. Logic really is going out the window these days.
 
Re: Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours

How about busting a instrument rating for descending below the examiners MDA? not the published MDA? I agree with the spelling test for the english teacher, and the MCAT for the doctor.
 
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[. The days of look the other way, don't ask don't tell, wink-wink is over.

REALLY? Then why was Eagle just fined? Why was Continental fined? Why was southwest fined, and American and so on and so on... For looking the other way! Its what airlines do best. Maybe your right that this wont go away, all im saying is that they are missing out on a a lot of good pilots, due to this rule. The DP system is motivated by money and its flawed, and BS. I know an examiner that likes it when you bring her cookies! yes cookies, and if you dont, then youve started the check ride to a bad start ( her words not mine).
 
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