Pinnacle Interviews in Jacksonville, FL

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ComplexHiAv8r

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Not sure why I got this email, but:

On-Site Interviews with Pinnacle Airlines / Northwest Airlink

In just three weeks, Pinnacle Airlines (Northwest Airlink) will interview a pool of ATP Instructors and Airline Transition Program graduates on-site at ATP's headquarters in Jacksonville Beach, Florida.
Pinnacle will also interview a select number of pilots prior to their enrollment in the Airline Transition Program for Conditional Offers of Employment.
After successful completion of the interview, Pinnacle knows that applicants will quickly gain a high level of proficiency and standardization in ATP's 60-day Airline Transition Program. If you're pursuing an airline job, have 350 hours total time, and would like to know you're hired before investing $24,995, visit ATP's web site and complete the application to be invited to 4 days of complimentary interview and sim prep, and an interview with Pinnacle.
Check out the web site for details:
<http://www2.atpflightschool.com/go.lasso?p=a&c=53116>
Sincerely,
James
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James Krzeminski
Director of Admissions
Airline Transport Professionals (ATP)
800-ALL-ATPS / 800-255-2877
Web: <http://www.allatps.com>
Email: <mailto:james@allatps.com>
 
great gig if you want to spend 25k for a f/o slot at pinnacle...this is going to start a lot comments, should be fun to watch
 
DE727UPS said:
ATP has now joined the ranks of PFT. Congratz...
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What does PFT stand for?! The reason I ask.... is I attend a flight school here in Ft. Lauderdale commonly called PFT as in Professional Flight Training!
 
It doesn't read to me that this is PFT, it seems more like a golden carrot (guaranteed job if you pay) Probably good for the current instructors to come and interview though.
 
Okay. It's PFJ, then. It's part of the Walmartization of the piloting career path. I see it as a disgrace....

"Probably good for the current instructors to come and interview though"

Wouldn't said instructors then have to pay 25K for the job as opposed to instructing another six months to make themselves competitive .
 
From my post over in the ATP forum. Only in this industry would someone pay 25k above and beyond ratings to make 19k a year. I guess it’s a good thing that these tools are in aviation and not investing or financial planning.

For anyone stupid enough to do this…. I tell you what I have a program for you! You pay for airfare to my house once you arrive and I collect the $5,000 fee I will then kick you in the nuts after this I will get you an interview at one of these fine local establishments; Kmart, McDonalds, Wal-Mart, or Burger King. If I fail to get you a job I will refund your $5,000 bucks and you can keep the nut kicking for free. Think about it the ratio of debt to first year income is better in my program then the direct track program.
 
DE727UPS said:
Okay. It's PFJ, then. It's part of the Walmartization of the piloting career path. I see it as a disgrace....

"Probably good for the current instructors to come and interview though"

Wouldn't said instructors then have to pay 25K for the job as opposed to instructing another six months to make themselves competitive .
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Agreed. Not sure if the instructors have to pay the 25k, but if it's a free deal for the instructors to interview then cool, if not that just ridiculous! They sent me the email too and I haven't instructed there in over 9 months.
 
I think it works like this. Pinnacle will be interviewing and hiring current ATP instructors and grads of the 90 day program. In addition Pinnacle will interview people who are considering doing the 60 day $25K program that didn't necessarily go through an ATP program already. If they have 350 hrs and Pinnacle likes them they will offer conditional employment if the potential new hire agrees to do ATP's 60 day $25K program.

These people that pinnacle would be offering jobs to if they do the program are the ones that would be buying their jobs and Pinnacle. Pinnacle should be ashamed of themselves for this sort of thing. And as for ATP, well this is not making me a proud ATP graduate.

Pretty sad but as someone once said, "the aviation industry is for suckers"... Looks like this is proving that saying to be true.

By the way, I can offer that same nut-kicking deal at half price! :)
 
DE727UPS said:
Okay. It's PFJ, then. It's part of the Walmartization of the piloting career path. I see it as a disgrace....

"Probably good for the current instructors to come and interview though"

Wouldn't said instructors then have to pay 25K for the job as opposed to instructing another six months to make themselves competitive .
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No they would not. Those instructors would have the minimum 500 hours TT, the majority in time spent as a MEI, and would have probably gone through the CRJ course which they paid $1,000 to take. This 25K program is for people with at least 350 hours and who don't want to instruct. The program consists of:
100 Hours Multi-Engine PIC.
50 Hours Glass Cockpit Single-Engine PIC.
Includes Regional Jet Standards Certification Program.
(20 Hours CRJ-200 FTD + ground school)
Includes Flight Management System (FMS) PC-based simulator software
ATP Written Prep & Exam
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There are programs out there that provide additional training and ratings (type) for those who want to spend big bucks. Whether you go to CAE for you ERJ type or ATP for your airline transition.. big deal. Its the students pocket book that takes the hit not yours. So dont lose any sleep at night over it. These programs are here to stay and there are plenty of good, bad, smart, and dumb pilots to fill their classes. If you are so against them, dont take part in them. That is about the only counter measure you are capable of unless one of the schools hire you as their program director and you can convince the CEO these programs are the devil.

Do these programs provide useless information? Probably not. Are they required to succeed in becoming an airline pilot? No.
 
I got the email as well. I must admitadmit it is a marketing tool for the "new" program.

I find ATP to be a very good school. This new program is targeting those who aren't instructors and are not planning to become instructors. I personally wouldn't want to take that route, but there are people who just don't want to instruct.

I say "new" becuase it appears to be a revamping of another program they had when I was finishing up my ACP (remember that one, Kyle?). I opted to get my instructor ratings and build my time and experience that way (I've spent enough money).

Neil
 
So am I wrong in thinking that programs like these make it harder for a regular CFI to get hired eventually?

I know a few guys that just got hired at Pinnacle, they are great CFIs and busted their butts for a few years the old fashioned way to get to the same place that some guy who is dropping $25K will be. Just doesn't seem right.

Don't hate the player hate the game right? I guess you just have to make "it" work for you and say screw everyone else.
 
Timbuff10 said:
So am I wrong in thinking that programs like these make it harder for a regular CFI to get hired eventually?

I know a few guys that just got hired at Pinnacle, they are great CFIs and busted their butts for a few years the old fashioned way to get to the same place that some guy who is dropping $25K will be. Just doesn't seem right.

Don't hate the player hate the game right? I guess you just have to make "it" work for you and say screw everyone else.
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Believe me, I know what you mean. I'm taking the instructor route, and though it can be frustrating at times, I'm happy with my choice.

The one thing I can say is that this seems a bit different than what GTA is doing because at least those who go through the program aren't "working" for an airline while building time to get on with another airline.

Neil

Neil
 
DE,

How's this PFT?

You agreed that Flight Safety Academy's Direct Track program was not exactly PFT... this setup is pretty much the same thing. You interview first, and if hired, you do the program for $24k.
 
Timbuff10 said:
So am I wrong in thinking that programs like these make it harder for a regular CFI to get hired eventually?

I know a few guys that just got hired at Pinnacle, they are great CFIs and busted their butts for a few years the old fashioned way to get to the same place that some guy who is dropping $25K will be. Just doesn't seem right.

Don't hate the player hate the game right? I guess you just have to make "it" work for you and say screw everyone else.
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It can be frustrating. When I read this I realized that if I wanted to I could have qualified and taken out a $25k loan when I had started full time and probably been a part of this. I really enjoy instructing and the friends I have made going the CFI route, so I have no regrets. It would be a shame though if this kind of program eventually made it harder for guys like me to get one of the pilot slots because they were already filled six or twelve months earlier.
 
meritflyer said:
There are programs out there that provide additional training and ratings (type) for those who want to spend big bucks. Whether you go to CAE for you ERJ type or ATP for your airline transition.. big deal. Its the students pocket book that takes the hit not yours. So dont lose any sleep at night over it. These programs are here to stay and there are plenty of SUCKERS to fill their classes. If you are so against them, dont take part in them. That is about the only counter measure you are capable of unless one of the schools hire you as their program director and you can convince the CEO these programs are the devil.

Do these programs provide useless information? Probably not. Are they required to succeed in becoming an airline pilot? No.
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Big deal? Your argument is weak you don't even get a type at ATP! When I went through ATP all the people I ran into that were doing the direct track program weren't really receiving any additional training other then the pay to play CRJ pilot part of the program. I hardly consider the cross country fly half the time baby sit the other training. All of our pocket books will take a hit. Do you really think the idiots who go through this program don't lower the bar? If they are willing to pay to get an airline job they are the types that are willing to take lower and lower pay just to fly that nice jet.

BTW I fixed your error
 
Well, I know three guys that interviewed there. Two were close to or over the 2000/250 hr mark and another was just over 1000/100. The two higher time guys got hired but the guy with 1000/100 didn't.

So what this tells me is they will take guys with a bunch of hours, or if you also pay $25 grand they will take you at 350 hrs.

"we prefer experience, unless you want to pay us alot, then we can care less and just want your money."

I'm wondering if the 1000/100 guy would have had a better chance had this program not been coming up?
 
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