Pinnacle Corp., buys Mesaba

sherpa said:
It is in the best interest of the unions to get an agreed upon list together in short order to one keep pace with the company's aircraft migration plans (whats to stop them from putting the next 15 Q's on mesaba's ticket next year without colgan pilots? OR grabbing a couple of 900's from Mesaba and putting them on PNCL without their pilots?).
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Or moving 9E's 16 -900s over to XJ to take advantage of the economies of scale and saying "We're furloughing. You get these planes back when you sign this crappy contract."

I'm sure they're brainstorming right now on how best to screw over all three pilot groups. Spanjers, Trenary and Casey all in one room gives me the heebie-jeebies.
 
kellwolf said:
Or moving 9E's 16 -900s over to XJ to take advantage of the economies of scale and saying "We're furloughing. You get these planes back when you sign this crappy contract."

I'm sure they're brainstorming right now on how best to screw over all three pilot groups. Spanjers, Trenary and Casey all in one room gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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Yeah, but they won't be able to hear anything between the jingling keys in Spanjers pocket. Spanjers is a pretty up front guy and I think deep down he means well, unfortunately he has to lie sometimes and he's terrible at it. My favorite is "Pinnacle and Colgan both have a great safety culture" in the press conference, he tripped over himself saying it. Ever class and every LCA meeting starts and ends with "We can't afford to be pinnacle, we can't afford to be Colgan" from either Spanky or our DO. During the scramruptsy guys could tell easily when Spanjers was lying, mostly based on the change rattling in his pocket. Watch him, he's transparent.

George Casey needs to go.
 
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http://www.centreforaviation.com/ne...solidation---selling-mesaba-and-compass/page1
 
does the company have the ability to have Colgan fly the Q400 purchased by the sweat of 9E pilots, on Delta routes in the event Delta decided to contract some Q400's purchased by the sweat of 9E pilots to do some flying?
 
sherpa said:
Oops sorry henceforth all references to the q400 shall be followed with the phrase "purchased by the sweat of 9e pilots"
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Ah, that'd be awful kind of you..

I just think it's funny... You're concerned with "Colgans" Q400's going to whereever Noncaring wants to put them with Colgan pilots.. Just cracks me up is all..

Surely you can understand where my point is coming from.. OUR parent company refuses to pay ANY of us what we are worth - claiming they have no money.. Yet, they a.) bought your company, b.) bought you airplanes and now c.) bought another company - all the while claiming "too poor" to pay anyone... :)
 
sherpa said:
does the company have the ability to have Colgan fly the Q400 purchased by the sweat of 9E pilots, on Delta routes in the event Delta decided to contract some Q400's purchased by the sweat of 9E pilots to do some flying?
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Nothing in our scope clause, apparently, prevents this. The way *I* read the scope clause in our contract, Mesaba and Colgan being owned by Pinnacle Corp should trigger some sort of merger. Unfortunately, the aribtrator didn't see it that way with Colgan. Seeing as how Mesaba operates the EXACT SAME fleet Colgan and Pinnacle (and for the same customer in Pinnacle's case) do, I'd be interesting to see if he still thinks that's not an "alter ego" carrier.
 
kellwolf said:
Ouch. "Offer employment?" I could see our management looking at this and saying "Yes, you WERE a -900 CA, and we are offering you employment as a -200 FO at 1st year pay."
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It doesn't even say "pilot employment". Sounds like they could offer you a job dumping lavs and say "take it or leave it".
 
Why would Delta sell Compass? I would think they might integrate them into their fleet as a possible replacement for the DC9s.
 
SeanD said:
Why would Delta sell Compass? I would think they might integrate them into their fleet as a possible replacement for the DC9s.
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Everything I've heard, it was the flow. Of course selling off assets works well historically for airlines.
 
2:1 it gets to 50 pages

1:1 it's locked by the first day of seniority arbitration

50:1 Some throws out the "Well WE bought YOU....." line.

150,000:1 It all goes as smoothly as DL/NW.


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It took like 48 hours before I heard a Republic pilot say we bought you regarding Frontier. I give it at least a week in this xase :p
 
We bought you. All your base is ours. There said n done.

In all honesty, from the Colgan side, most all pilots are pretty "eh" about it, as in let the unions work it out... It's just not worth getting worked up over yet. Colgan/pinnacle made it through this once and kept it pretty even keel, so unless the mesaba guys are on the war path, I'd bet this goes somewhat smoothly. I have faith that our MEC's can respectively work out a fair deal for all.
 
sherpa said:
does the company have the ability to have Colgan fly the Q400 purchased by the sweat of 9E pilots, on Delta routes in the event Delta decided to contract some Q400's purchased by the sweat of 9E pilots to do some flying?
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Not sure, but I think that the Q is over the weight limit in the Delta PWA for allowed aircraft.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
We bought you. All your base is ours. There said n done.

In all honesty, from the Colgan side, most all pilots are pretty "eh" about it, as in let the unions work it out... It's just not worth getting worked up over yet. Colgan/pinnacle made it through this once and kept it pretty even keel, so unless the mesaba guys are on the war path, I'd bet this goes somewhat smoothly. I have faith that our MEC's can respectively work out a fair deal for all.
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Problem with this time around is there's underlying bad blood between a lot of 9E and XJ guys. It's easy to keep things on an even keel when the company that was just bought by your holding company flies into NONE of your hubs. Now try it with a company that flies into ALL of your hubs and has domiciles in three of the four cities you also have domiciles in.

I've got faith the MECs will work something out. Word through the grapevine is they've all three already been meeting to discuss the situation. I'm more worried about the pilot groups sabotaging it.
 
Cptnchia said:
Not sure, but I think that the Q is over the weight limit in the Delta PWA for allowed aircraft.
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Its what 20-30,000 lbs less than the E175? No the Q400 is not over the weight limit. Also the weight limit applies to Jets. As does the the 76 seat scope. Regionals can have an unlimited number of 70+ seat turbo props.
 
Cptnchia said:
Not sure, but I think that the Q is over the weight limit in the Delta PWA for allowed aircraft.
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WalterSobchak said:
Its what 20-30,000 lbs less than the E175? No the Q400 is not over the weight limit. Also the weight limit applies to Jets. As does the the 76 seat scope. Regionals can have an unlimited number of 70+ seat turbo props.
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Q is 65,000 lbs.....FYI. Not sure where that fits into the fray?
 
WalterSobchak said:
Its what 20-30,000 lbs less than the E175? No the Q400 is not over the weight limit. Also the weight limit applies to Jets. As does the the 76 seat scope. Regionals can have an unlimited number of 70+ seat turbo props.
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Thought they needed an exception in the contract in order to keep the 175s flying when the merger happened?

I tried Googling it, but couldn't come up with an results on Delta's specific contract language.
 
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