Pilots Loading Bags? Good or bad...

re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

zmiller4 said:
Seriously? That's spoken like someone who's never done repetitive lifting as part of their job. My ground instructor at Eagle--who was a pretty scary Vietnam vet, certainly not "frail"--told us our first day to be extremely careful throwing our flight cases in their spots in the cockpit. He'd hurt himself doing so, but maybe he was just a lot more frail than you. It's all in how you lift, but in the confines of an airplane it's easy to lift something the wrong way.
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I'm not a big guy at all, but frankly unless I really did have back issues or something, I'd be pretty embarrassed to claim that I might receive a debilitating injury while lifting some bags. Honestly, from a fit person it sounds pretty ridiculous, and again I'd rather just hear someone say they aren't paid to do it....:dunno:
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Holocene said:
I'm not a big guy at all, but frankly unless I really did have back issues or something, I'd be pretty embarrassed to claim that I might receive a debilitating injury while lifting some bags. Honestly, from a fit person it sounds pretty ridiculous, and again I'd rather just hear someone say they aren't paid to do it....:dunno:
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OK. Keep talking, it's just going to make you look more clueless. You can be the strongest guy out there, but the minute you lift 40lbs bent slightly in the wrong position...there goes your next couple of weeks.

It sounded crazy to me too, but it doesn't take much to screw up your back at all. Back injuries are the least fun thing in the world to deal with. The sooner you learn that the better.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Doug Taylor said:
Or get his finger cut off while adjusting his seat in the cockpit?

Or have a back injury lifting a passenger's back in excess of 40 lbs?

Or get run over and killed by a de-ice truck?

Or have back problems stemming from storing a flight kit in the cockpit?

Or contract malaria?

Or have a hard landing break a vertebrae?

Run into by a catering truck on the ramp and killed?

Viral meningitis?

Food poisoning?

People get injured and/or killed in the airline business far more often than many people think. Except for not personally knowing the people killed on the ramp, the above are just a small sampling of what happened to people that I know personally.

Not urban legend.

Getting hurt is pretty darned easy.
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I apologize in advance for this one.















The one thing i can say about UPS, at least the last time they mowed someone down, it was a fed.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Holocene said:
I'm not a big guy at all, but frankly unless I really did have back issues or something, I'd be pretty embarrassed to claim that I might receive a debilitating injury while lifting some bags. Honestly, from a fit person it sounds pretty ridiculous, and again I'd rather just hear someone say they aren't paid to do it....:dunno:
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I can pick up over 500 pounds off the floor. My 55 pound son wrenched my back up to the point I couldn't walk for a couple of days.

If you want to compare "fitness" jock straps, I'm all ears.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

kellwolf said:
Try lifting and stacking 200 of them while kneeling in a bin when it's 90+ degrees outside. Just b/c the paperwork SAYS they all weigh 30 lbs doesn't make it true.
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Only if you'll put them all on the scale first, then put them up into the plane, then climb up on the ladder which is sliding around the icy ramp to climb into the back, then stack them so you can get as many in as possible, then make sure the tarp covers them, then get back out, load more, climb back up, stack more, cover with tarp, repeat until full, then strap down the tarp down tight, get out, climb down the ladder that's still sliding on the ramp, shut the door, now supervise deicing and climb another ladder to make sure you can do a tactile inspection (and that ladder is sitting on the icy ramp too).

No offense, but spare me your bag story.

Holocene said:
I would have more respect for someone simply saying they aren't paid to do that, and so won't do it.
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+1. The injury thing is a cop-out. Correction. Injury is a real risk. The Worker's Comp thing is a cop-out.

cmill said:
Mind you, ive never been given any of this "heavy lifting training."
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Nor did I ever have any safety equipment supplied to me. Do you? Lifting belt?

...and we had 110 pound girls throwing bags.

kellwolf said:
...if they want me to make sure that flight goes out on time.....sign a decent TA.
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We've come to the real issue. Thank you for being honest. I can respect that. I may not like it, but at least I respect that.

-mini
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

minitour said:
Only if you'll put them all on the scale first, then put them up into the plane, then climb up on the ladder which is sliding around the icy ramp to climb into the back, then stack them so you can get as many in as possible, then make sure the tarp covers them, then get back out, load more, climb back up, stack more, cover with tarp, repeat until full, then strap down the tarp down tight, get out, climb down the ladder that's still sliding on the ramp, shut the door, now supervise deicing and climb another ladder to make sure you can do a tactile inspection (and that ladder is sitting on the icy ramp too).



Nor did I ever have any safety equipment supplied to me. Do you? Lifting belt?






-mini
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I was trying to prove a point just like you. Same team!

But since you asked, no. No safety equipment, and no belt loader either. Although, i will admit, those boxes seem a lot heaver once they're actually inside the 'van, where standing up is impossible.
 
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cmill said:
I was trying to prove a point just like you. Same team!

But since you asked, no. No safety equipment, and no belt loader either. Although, i will admit, those boxes seem a lot heaver once they're actually inside the 'van, where standing up is impossible.
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I was agreeing with you and adding the safety equipment issue. Didn't mean for it to come off like I was disagreeing with you. I agree 100% No lifting training and no safety equipment. You see bag, box or bin...you put it on the plane. At the end of the day, you take it back off.

Come to think of it, all that time climbing up the ladder to do the tactile inspection on the caravan and just to even load it....no helmet, no parachute, nothing. No safety equipment at all. Guess I woulda been screwed.

-mini
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

minitour said:
I was agreeing with you and adding the safety equipment issue. Didn't mean for it to come off like I was disagreeing with you. I agree 100% No lifting training and no safety equipment. You see bag, box or bin...you put it on the plane. At the end of the day, you take it back off.

Come to think of it, all that time climbing up the ladder to do the tactile inspection on the caravan and just to even load it....no helmet, no parachute, nothing. No safety equipment at all. Guess I woulda been screwed.

-mini
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Haha, which is why i have never fueled a van to this day. I have a terribly girlish aversion to tall ladders mixed with a piss poor sense of balance. Especially when i have to stand on the top rung. That's where i draw the line.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

cmill said:
Haha, which is why i have never fueled a van to this day. I have a terribly girlish aversion to tall ladders mixed with a piss poor sense of balance. Especially when i have to stand on the top rung. That's where i draw the line.
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I'm scared to death of heights. Getting me to hang half off of the thing and grab that handle inside the door to do a tactile check? HAHA yeah right! I CRAWL up the ladder with the hand rails.

As for fuel, single point FTW.

-mini
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Remember, the key is to be careful at work.

People DO get hurt.

People DO get killed.

If you're lucky enough to be hurt and not killed, and if you were doing something you should not have been doing in the first place, the insurer will not have your back.

The company may, but the insurer is paying the bills.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

zmiller4 said:
OK. Keep talking, it's just going to make you look more clueless. You can be the strongest guy out there, but the minute you lift 40lbs bent slightly in the wrong position...there goes your next couple of weeks.
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LOL, I better hire someone to come move my television set. I might get hurt.
 
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cmill said:
I apologize in advance for this one.















The one thing i can say about UPS, at least the last time they mowed someone down, it was a fed.
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Please tell me he was wearing his lime green/yellow (not orange!) safety vest, hearing protection and proper non-slip steel toed work shoes. Cuz in ¨UPS eyes if he wasnt using all of said stuff it was his fault!

Hey wtf is up with the new vest nazis? I saw a feeder pilot get a lashing due to his vest not being a rip away???
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

mooneyguy said:
I love the "what if i get hurt" reasoning. Unless work comp rules have changed, it does not matter what you are doing. If you are ON DUTY you could fall down because you were picking your nose, and work comp would cover you. If they deny it, any laywer with a pulse could get it for you.
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Absolutely false. At any job where a job description is clearly defined (take a look in the FOM for your job description as a pilot), you are not covered outside of that job description. For example, going to the hotel on your overnights is part of your job, so if you're injured in the hotel van on the way to the hotel, you're covered. On the other hand, throwing bags is not part of your job, so if the company wants to challenge it, they can, and they will likely win. I have transcripts from a termination hearing that clarifies this, but I obviously can't post anything from a pilot's termination hearing.

Trip7 said:
If enough people start doing this pilot throwing bags trend it might be put into company ops manual or sneaked into the next contract! Especially with SKW not being Union. Jetblue anyone? Remember what happened to them?
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Also very true.

stuckingfk said:
What did happen to them?

Was it the great pay bump they received to fly the 190?
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Nobody at JetBlue has received a single dime from that pay increase yet. The company is still telling them that it's on the way, maybe October. And I don't care if you paid me $300/hr, I still wouldn't clean the frickin' cabin between legs. I'm a pilot, not a janitor.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Holocene said:
LOL, how frail does one have to be to get severely injured lifting a bag? :cwm27:

I would have more respect for someone simply saying they aren't paid to do that, and so won't do it.
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kellwolf said:
Try lifting and stacking 200 of them while kneeling in a bin when it's 90+ degrees outside. Just b/c the paperwork SAYS they all weigh 30 lbs doesn't make it true.
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:yeahthat:

Sorting bags for Air Canada I regularly see bags in excess of 60lbs bound for Asia. I also see fish boxes in excess of 100lbs. The problem is lifting them in the pit. Especially in planes where the pit is 2' 11" from the floor to ceiling.
 
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:( This thread makes me sad. I think a lot of people forgot where they came from. I do a lot of things that aren't listed in my job description and I don't P&M like a lot of the jet jockey's I am hearing on this thread. Suck it up and get the job done Ladies.

I crawled through a baggage door today to open a skyhawk door we couldn't get open from the outside. Was it mine or my student's airplane? No. Was I on the clock or getting paid to help out a fellow co-worker? No. I am just not a tool and am willing to help other's on my team get the job done.
 
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I always try to defend airline pilots when all the other airline employees claim the pilots don't give a crap about the company and feel they are above being part of the "team". This thread would prove one hell of a point for those people.

I'll make sure next time a passenger needs to board their flight but the wheelchair contractor hasn't shown up, they're SOL because its not in my job description to push the wheelchairs, we pay contractors to do that, and I'm not going to do their job for free.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

spbrian said:
Please tell me he was wearing his lime green/yellow (not orange!) safety vest, hearing protection and proper non-slip steel toed work shoes. Cuz in ¨UPS eyes if he wasnt using all of said stuff it was his fault!

Hey wtf is up with the new vest nazis? I saw a feeder pilot get a lashing due to his vest not being a rip away???
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Yes, he was wearing all the proper attire, so UPS is dumbfounded as to how an 18 wheeler could still kill him. The sad part is, the driver will prolly get his job back.

The deal i heard with the vests now is, somehow someone got their vest caught in a belt loader so they all have to be rip away. You wanna know the great part? We have to have the rip away vest buttoned in the front. Otherwise would dangle, and could get caught in a conveyor....

Pure genius. Me thinks someone is trying to justify their job.
 
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