Pilots Loading Bags? Good or bad...

re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

minitour said:
GASP!

That does it. Allegiant is awful now. Officially. Pilots loading bags? When there's coffee to be drank and seats to be sat in?

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Pilots at Skywest do that almost everyday when they see the rampers are busy and I'm doing the carry-on bags myself. Friends I have at other airlines gawk at this and say its stupid because you aren't compensated for it. Guess what, neither are gate agents. But we do what we need to do to get our flights out ontime.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

jtrain609 said:
Srsly, Mike? That's all you've got? You're getting slow in your old age man.
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Maybe, did not really think it was worth getting into a donnybrook:beer:

Besides, we thought what Tony said was stupid, you think we are ignorant, cool with me, it's all good:insane:
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

ChasenSFO said:
Friends I have at other airlines gawk at this and say its stupid because you aren't compensated for it.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with compensation. I'm not paid to sit in my seat and wait while bags are loaded on board either. There are two reasons I don't go out and help the ramp throw bags.

First, it's their job under their collective bargaining agreement (if they are unionized) or under the Employee Manual if they are not. If there aren't enough rampers out there to do the job then the company should hire more. If they can't find enough to hire then they need to pay more to attract more people. Simple as that.

Secondly, I'm not covered if I hurt myself throwing bags because it's not part of my job.

Trust me, I don't get paid to do a lot of things I do everyday while at work. Compensation (for ground time) is not a factor as to why I won't go help on the ramp.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

ChasenSFO said:
Pilots at Skywest do that almost everyday when they see the rampers are busy and I'm doing the carry-on bags myself. Friends I have at other airlines gawk at this and say its stupid because you aren't compensated for it. Guess what, neither are gate agents. But we do what we need to do to get our flights out ontime.
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I can't wait until some Skywest pilot throws out his back while doing this nonsense and gets denied OJI because he was doing something that wasn't in his job description. Have fun being out of work with no pay and having to pay for medical attention on your own dime. :rolleyes:
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

ATN_Pilot said:
I can't wait until some Skywest pilot throws out his back while doing this nonsense and gets denied OJI because he was doing something that wasn't in his job description. Have fun being out of work with no pay and having to pay for medical attention on your own dime. :rolleyes:
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:clap::clap:

It happens. But keep doing what ever you have to. Be sure to put your safety at risk while doing it, you are just a pilot afterall.

Not to say I haven't helped either. Was missing my right (foot) big toe nail for a while because I decided to offload pallets on a MD-11 without steel toes. I've just learned and moved on.

You all, who load bags, might be surprised to know that one or two delay codes on bag loading usually fixes the staffing issues. Promise.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

jynxyjoe said:
You all, who load bags, might be surprised to know that one or two delay codes on bag loading usually fixes the staffing issues. Promise.
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Not when the airline is shutting down in a month
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

BobDDuck said:
It has absolutely nothing to do with compensation. I'm not paid to sit in my seat and wait while bags are loaded on board either. There are two reasons I don't go out and help the ramp throw bags.

First, it's their job under their collective bargaining agreement (if they are unionized) or under the Employee Manual if they are not. If there aren't enough rampers out there to do the job then the company should hire more. If they can't find enough to hire then they need to pay more to attract more people. Simple as that.

Secondly, I'm not covered if I hurt myself throwing bags because it's not part of my job.

Trust me, I don't get paid to do a lot of things I do everyday while at work. Compensation (for ground time) is not a factor as to why I won't go help on the ramp.
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I was going to answer, but I couldn't think of any real reasons. . .it was late. Then I read this.

Well done.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

kellwolf said:
How many times have you told me to look past first year rates? Realistically, who at XJT or Eagle is gonna see first year CA rates? Let's look at second year CA rate at Allegiant. Where most regionals see a couple dollar pay bump, Allegiant goes up over $20/hr. In fact, if you take it out to 4 year, it's more or less in line with Midwest and $40 more an hour than the regionals. I don't know of any regional with $100/hr 4 year CA pay.



I thought you said they were "regional" rates. Can't say that and then compare them to AirTran. It's still not regional rates. It's not AirTran rates, but it's not regional either.

I think you might not be able to look past the chip on your shoulder when it comes to the non-union carriers. I'm already a sell-out I guess, so I'll just say I wouldn't mind going to Allegiant, being based at home in Orlando and being home every night. I've talked to some of the guys over there, and they seem relatively happy. Then again, I'd love to go to SWA and don't consider them a "cult" either.
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Uh....that would be Sanford (SFB) sir.....;).......continue.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

ChasenSFO said:
But we do what we need to do to get our flights out ontime.
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Aside from the other reasons about staffing and possible OJIs, I will also add to the list that I don't get a bonus for that, only management does. I'll sit and wait for them to load the bags, thanks.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

jynxyjoe said:
You all, who load bags, might be surprised to know that one or two delay codes on bag loading usually fixes the staffing issues. Promise.
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In theory yes. I work at an out station for F9, AA, and Air Canada. We were understaffed, and the plane went out late a few times. Instead of hiring more people, they removed all our travel benefits.:mad:
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

minitour said:
GASP!

That does it. Allegiant is awful now. Officially. Pilots loading bags? When there's coffee to be drank and seats to be sat in?

-mini
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ChasenSFO said:
Pilots at Skywest do that almost everyday when they see the rampers are busy and I'm doing the carry-on bags myself. Friends I have at other airlines gawk at this and say its stupid because you aren't compensated for it. Guess what, neither are gate agents. But we do what we need to do to get our flights out ontime.
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Both of you can knock it all you want. However, the fact of the matter is if said pilot was to injure themselves, there is a very real possibility they would not be covered for workman's compensation insurance. Would you care to guess why that is??? Let me help you. It's because a pilot's job is to fly the plane, not clean it or load luggage. Hey, I was a ramper at one time, and I loaded luggage and emptied the lav, etc.... 'Cause it WAS MY JOB. Now I'm a pilot and it's NOT MY JOB. Certainly not because I'm above doing the work (I've proved I've done it in the past), but we need to cover our butts because most company's won't.

That being said, it doesn't mean I don't do what I can, when I can to ensure the flight leaves on time. But......I'm certainly not interested in getting hurt doing it. Obviously, the risk is slim; however, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If there is a problem getting the flight loaded on time, then the company needs to employ additional ramp support personnel.



Edit: I see others have also expressed similar thoughts on this matter. Guess we're all crazy?!? :dunno: ;)
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Cruise said:
Both of you can knock it all you want. However, the fact of the matter is if said pilot was to injure themselves, there is a very real possibility they would not be covered for workman's compensation insurance.
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You should avoid all sports, driving motorcycles, trucks and cars, having unprotected sex outside of a monogamous relationship, walking up and down stairs, keeping chemicals in the house, using sharp objects, cooking your food with heat and eating undercooked foods.

All can leave you injured/disabled

None will be covered by a worker's compensation claim.

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i will admit it that Alligent is the ONLY airline I would like to work for because of the abilit to sleep in my own bed most of the time. Maybe pay isn't quite up there, but i don't have to commute and sleep in a hotel during trips. QOL is much more important to me than pay. i would never work for a regional due to the absolute crap pay and QOL
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

minitour said:
You should avoid all sports, driving motorcycles, trucks and cars, having unprotected sex outside of a monogamous relationship, walking up and down stairs, keeping chemicals in the house, using sharp objects, cooking your food with heat and eating undercooked foods.

All can leave you injured/disabled

None will be covered by a worker's compensation claim.

-mini
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LOL.

Truthfully though, I can see both sides of the issue. Sure, everyone wants to have a team mentality and help out where and when needed. Yes, there are some lazy SOBs out there that wouldn't help no matter what, but you know what i mean.

But, it only takes one time to get injured and not be covered because you were working outside the scope of your job. Maybe it'd be different if this particular liability didn't exist, I don't know. Maybe then people would help others when the occasional time called for it, maybe not. Still, that'd involve having the required safety gear, etc.

I guess it comes down to three ideals:

Those who don't help due to liability, but would otherwise if that wasn't an issue.

Those who feel tossing bags is beneath them, and wouldn't help even if there wasn't a liability issue, but use that as a convenient excuse.

Those who feel it isn't their job regardless of liability. I have my job responsibilities, you have yours. I get paid to do X, you get paid to do Y.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

MikeD said:
Those who feel tossing bags is beneath them, and wouldn't help even if there wasn't a liability issue, but use that as a convenient excuse.
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Cinderella. That is all.

-mini
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

minitour said:
You should avoid all sports, driving motorcycles, trucks and cars, having unprotected sex outside of a monogamous relationship, walking up and down stairs, keeping chemicals in the house, using sharp objects, cooking your food with heat and eating undercooked foods.

All can leave you injured/disabled

None will be covered by a worker's compensation claim.

-mini
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Apples/ Oranges........nice try though. :rolleyes:
 
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