scooter2525
Very well Member
I agree. Must be that all background checked pilots are far more dangerous then the general public.
Pilot to TSA: 'No Groping Me and No Naked Photos'
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I agree. Must be that all background checked pilots are far more dangerous then the general public.
Saw the video of this. My thought was "What a moron." Not because of what he did, but because of how he's handling it now. I applaud what he did. But if you're go through the process of hiring a lawyer and going on GMA, then damn it, BE PREPARED! Present yourself well. Be interesting, be informative, be passionate. I pretty much out tuned out after about 30 seconds, until the guy's lawyer came. He at least was slightly informative. Golden opportunity wasted.
And ole Stephy, well you can tell he is pretty much just a liberal elitist by his condescending attitute towards hithe guy. "Is it really worth losing your job?" I would have loved to hear the pilot reply, YES IT IS, you ARROGANT LIBERAL JACKASS!
Rant over...
Right? I am willing to bet that the background check a pilot has to go through is more thorough than what the TSA agents have.
"So let me get this straight, I am in charge of a multi million dollar piece of equipment, that in order to fly I have to pass a background check that looks at my ENTIRE criminal history, more than likely through an FBI data base. I spent a ton of money, and 5 to 10 years of my life to get to this point. I am allowed to carry a concealed weapon into the cockpit with the proper training, but I have to go through a security checkpoint to make sure that I am not carrying to much fluid, and you want to take pictures of my junk, or feel my junk to promote the illusion of security?"
At first I was thinking to myself "what a fool, you knew they would be checking you." Then I got to thinking about it. There needs to be a way of getting a pilot to his airplane without him/her being accosted by the TSA. If your going to trust us with the airplane, i.e. not forcefully trying to crash it, then shouldn't you also trust that we are not going to try and blow it out of the sky. Because if a pilot who is sitting at the controls wants to bring an airplane down, the TSA isn't going th be able to stop a pilot who is hell bent that is sitting at the controls.
MichaelC
Well-Known Member
I'm voting for the Rent Is Too Damn High Party.
scooter2525
Very well Member
I agree. The point of the TSA is to prevent people from bringing a plane down. A naked pilot wouldn't have a struggle doing that even with all amounts of wanding, scanning and screening they do.
Agree. EgyptAir 990 being the shining example. A pilot can get through security just fine. He's still at the controls and if he wishes that plane to become a lawndart, nothing is really going to stop him, pending he does it at the right time.
Could you imagine the hell that would be paid if that happened tomorrow here in the USA? An airline pilot crashes the plane on purpose, killing all? You think going to the airport now is akin to checking into San Quentin prison, the knee-jerk reaction to that event would be enormous.
As we say in Pittsburgh, it'd be YYOOOOJ.
I think the day we realize that nothing is risk-free and the chances that there are some terrorist group's operatives that half infiltrated the cockpit are slim to none.
Perhaps we ought to "de nerd" math and statistics and look at the cold hard facts.
Has a pilot attempted to commandeer an aircraft? Sure! Nevermind 9/11, look at the FDX incident. But that was one event out of how many millions of hours of flight?
Are there people behind the yoke that shouldn't even be trusted to ride a bicycle to the corner QwuickyMart? For sure, but only a few out of several hundred thousand.
There's nothing the TSA can do to ferret these anomalies out but statistically, there's not much to worry about.
I think the day we realize that nothing is risk-free and the chances that there are some terrorist group's operatives that half infiltrated the cockpit are slim to none.
Perhaps we ought to "de nerd" math and statistics and look at the cold hard facts.
Has a pilot attempted to commandeer an aircraft? Sure! Nevermind 9/11, look at the FDX incident. But that was one event out of how many millions of hours of flight?
Are there people behind the yoke that shouldn't even be trusted to ride a bicycle to the corner QwuickyMart? For sure, but only a few out of several hundred thousand.
There's nothing the TSA can do to ferret these anomalies out but statistically, there's not much to worry about.
Suggestions to Improve Security at Airports:
-Don't allow carry on bags other than one purse, one laptop bag, one briefcase, etc. That way, TSA can scan the crap out of whatever they want without bothering the general public...
-Allow firearm permit holders to carry open or concealed on domestic flights. Do you think someone is going to try and take over a plane that could be full of armed American citizens?
-Don't allow carry on bags other than one purse, one laptop bag, one briefcase, etc. That way, TSA can scan the crap out of whatever they want without bothering the general public...
-Allow firearm permit holders to carry open or concealed on domestic flights. Do you think someone is going to try and take over a plane that could be full of armed American citizens?
Very true. Its a lesson in futility trying to get a "100% airtight" security guarantee. It just isn't going to happen. And treating your own people like they're checking into prison, be it pax or aircrew, isn't helping the issue and is just.......wait for it........further demonstrating that the enemy won on 9/12/2001. Sad part is, we continue to let them win.
Well here's the kicker on this angle.
I have a suspicion that a good percentage of the CCW crowd hasn't gone through any type of tactical training (how to engage, when to engage, how to control the weapon and the situation), so my next door neighbor with his Glock he bought at the gun show may be more of a hindrance than an asset to in-flight security.
The gun is a tool whereas the person's tactical skills are the weapon.
You can have the 400-piece Snap-On toolset, but it doesn't mean you're going to be able to rotate a brake drum.
Agree. For a few other reasons as well.
I left my iPad in my bag going thru security in EWR.
I got screamed at by the TSA agent for not removing my device. Well, whatever, I didn't take it personal and figured I'd be all stressed out too if I worked for the TSA.
"Sorry, it's technically not a laptop and the other airports didn't require it's removal"
"It's a NEWARK rule, it's right there on the website!"
"What website?"
"Newarks TSA website"
"Newark's got a website for the TSA? Wow man, does it get many hits?"
"What?"
"Nevermind"
Gotta love standardization. Every airport seems to have it's own techniques, yet every airport treats their personal techniques as procedures.
A little more on this.
The answer is: Yes.
They're trying to commandeer the aircraft to destroy it, themselves and any target below. I don't think the threat of deadly force is a deterrent to a suicide hijacker.
Additionally, it'd be amazingly easy to secure a weapon with tactically untrained CCW permit holders on the aircraft.
Start a ruckus, scream in some unintelligible language and run around the aircraft screaming about some deity.
Joe Jackson with this CCW engages, thinks he's helping, directs him to sit and then his accomplices come up behind Joe Jackson and relieve him of his weapon.
Voila, the hijackers passed security unfazed because they had no weapons, they ferreted out an untrained CCW passenger and now they have secured a weapon.
In flight security is a system of training, coordination, intelligence, tactics and being on the same sheet of music as the expanded team, not just the presence of weapons.
Point taken, but shouldn't people be able to protect themselves even while traveling in an airplane the same as when traveling on a bus, train, etc? Or at the very least shouldn't all pilots and all LEOs be allowed to carry firearms on a plane?
BeRich
Very Special Agent
Pilots can go through training to be allowed to carry on a plane....
I thought they recently revoked that?
BeRich
Very Special Agent
I guess it's possible, I'm not an airline pilot, but I haven't heard anything about that....
The average passenger has zero utility with deadly force on the airplane. Unless you've briefed the crew and privy to security information including trends of interest and current threats, your weapon is, at best, a security blanket.
With proper training.
You do not need a weapon on my aircraft unless you're an active part of my security team. I don't think there is any need for 216 (minus crew) independent all-in-one police/judge/jury/executioners. Somebody pops up with a weapon, you have no idea if that's a LEO, an air marshall, a hijacker or whatever. If you engage, the security team which you are not a part of must engage and you probably won't like the results.
Remember, the security teams sole purpose is to protect the cockpit and an immediate and imminent threat to the aircraft. Taking the role above and beyond that is a massive security risk and that's pretty much all I'm willing to go into on a publicly readable internet forum!
