Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past dest.
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
Someone want to do an NTSB search on the successful off airport and on airport dead stick landings following powerplant failure?
j - sounds like he did a good job if he "stuck it on a road" and everyone walked away.
So, to address an earlier post. What happens to you if you pull the handle and get blown into power lines, fuel farm, a bridge, a tower, etc.?
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Someone want to do an NTSB search on the successful off airport and on airport dead stick landings following powerplant failure?
j - sounds like he did a good job if he "stuck it on a road" and everyone walked away.
So, to address an earlier post. What happens to you if you pull the handle and get blown into power lines, fuel farm, a bridge, a tower, etc.?
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jhugz
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
Dude you are not hearing me out. I am not saying it is impossible to dead-stick an airplane off airport. I am saying it is safer to pull a chute then it is to try and stick an airplane in a field if you have the choice. If you don't have a chute you don't have the option and obviously you need to stick it in a field.
Dude you are not hearing me out. I am not saying it is impossible to dead-stick an airplane off airport. I am saying it is safer to pull a chute then it is to try and stick an airplane in a field if you have the choice. If you don't have a chute you don't have the option and obviously you need to stick it in a field.
Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
You certainly can't go based off of NTSB reports.
...and what happens when you get blown into a nuclear power plant under the chute? or a radio tower?
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I'm trying to figure out how you can possibly quantify that it's safer to do pull the chute than dead stick?
You certainly can't go based off of NTSB reports.
...and what happens when you get blown into a nuclear power plant under the chute? or a radio tower?
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
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Thanks Mike. I was trying to find a nice way to say it and it just wasn't coming out tonight.
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jhugz
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
He would have done a fantastic job if he wasn't flying a SR2X and that was his only choice. He however made the incorrect decision not to pull the chute. He clipped power lines and was really lucky it turned out the way it did.
As stated before a CAPS deployment into power lines, terrain, is very survivable as you can see from some statistics.
I want to break your engine failure discussion down two ways...a engine failure down low and one up high.
My climb flow consists of me going flaps up at 500 hundred feet followed by me touching the CAPS saying CAPS armed. That is subconsciously letting me know that I am high enough to survive a CAPS pull. Anything lower I need to keep flying because the chute isn't going to deploy in time. I would rather hit a fuel farm, power lines, bridge, in an decelerated fall then at 100 mph.
If you tank an engine up high then you have a little bit of time before you need to pull the chute. The first thing I would do is pitch for best glide, the run the flow, followed by the checklist. If I can't get here restarted then I would grab the wind aloft vector off the g1000 pfd and position myself in the best position to not hit any terrain, towers, etc...due to the wind pushing me into those problems. I would then pull the chute and enjoy the ride. I at all times have to remember the chute in the back of my mind because some forget about and don't remember till its to late. It's then game over.
I obviously am not going to change your mind on this but I hope you can see where I am coming from. You do it your way, I'll do it mine.
He would have done a fantastic job if he wasn't flying a SR2X and that was his only choice. He however made the incorrect decision not to pull the chute. He clipped power lines and was really lucky it turned out the way it did.
As stated before a CAPS deployment into power lines, terrain, is very survivable as you can see from some statistics.
I want to break your engine failure discussion down two ways...a engine failure down low and one up high.
My climb flow consists of me going flaps up at 500 hundred feet followed by me touching the CAPS saying CAPS armed. That is subconsciously letting me know that I am high enough to survive a CAPS pull. Anything lower I need to keep flying because the chute isn't going to deploy in time. I would rather hit a fuel farm, power lines, bridge, in an decelerated fall then at 100 mph.
If you tank an engine up high then you have a little bit of time before you need to pull the chute. The first thing I would do is pitch for best glide, the run the flow, followed by the checklist. If I can't get here restarted then I would grab the wind aloft vector off the g1000 pfd and position myself in the best position to not hit any terrain, towers, etc...due to the wind pushing me into those problems. I would then pull the chute and enjoy the ride. I at all times have to remember the chute in the back of my mind because some forget about and don't remember till its to late. It's then game over.
I obviously am not going to change your mind on this but I hope you can see where I am coming from. You do it your way, I'll do it mine.
jhugz
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
This is exactly what I am teaching students.
This is exactly what I am teaching students.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
You are right, he doesn't want to sell you an airplane, but he does want to sell an airplane to all of your students who are in the market for a new one.
One of your students buys a 22 and he will send you 4,000 grand.
Salesman
He is totally bent on selling me an airplane with my yearly gross coming in at about 15k a year.Common man it is just to CFI's shooting the stuff with the more inexperienced one listening and learning.
You are right, he doesn't want to sell you an airplane, but he does want to sell an airplane to all of your students who are in the market for a new one.
One of your students buys a 22 and he will send you 4,000 grand.
Salesman
Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
...just for giggles.
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:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
What's the vertical descent rate of a fully loaded 22 under canopy?
...just for giggles.
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jhugz
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
I am pretty sure off hand that it is 1750ish fpm.
I am pretty sure off hand that it is 1750ish fpm.
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I'll take 80 knots (assuming even a slight headwind at the landing site) and the ability to steer around obstructions.
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
That's gonna hurt.
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Yeah, just a touch under 20mph straight down.
That's gonna hurt.
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jhugz
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I remember dropping eggs off a 2 story stairwell in a egg cartoon when I was a munchkin in science class without them breaking. I am pretty sure a shell with the landing gear absorbing much of the impact and a airbag harness holding me in place is going to make it survivable. It may hurt a little and yes you may be sore the next day but it is much more survivable then barreling through some telephone wires at 100 mph.
I remember dropping eggs off a 2 story stairwell in a egg cartoon when I was a munchkin in science class without them breaking. I am pretty sure a shell with the landing gear absorbing much of the impact and a airbag harness holding me in place is going to make it survivable. It may hurt a little and yes you may be sore the next day but it is much more survivable then barreling through some telephone wires at 100 mph.
Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
*sigh* I think I'm getting dumber for debating this.
Good night y'all...I surrender. Let's put chutes on everything!
I wouldn't quit, but it's either debate the chute back and forth or do P90x. If I'm going to hate myself in the morning, I want it to be because I'm losing weight. Be safe out there, j!
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*sigh* I think I'm getting dumber for debating this.
Good night y'all...I surrender. Let's put chutes on everything!
I wouldn't quit, but it's either debate the chute back and forth or do P90x. If I'm going to hate myself in the morning, I want it to be because I'm losing weight. Be safe out there, j!
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jhugz
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
Nite man. It's an educated debate, with hopefully no hard feelings.
Nite man. It's an educated debate, with hopefully no hard feelings.
Shane702
New Member
Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
I have done a fair share of simulated engine failures, and am confident I could put a plane down somewhere in a field or highway or whatever is available. While I have never flown a cirrus, I think pulling the chute should be judged on a case by case .
I have done a fair share of simulated engine failures, and am confident I could put a plane down somewhere in a field or highway or whatever is available. While I have never flown a cirrus, I think pulling the chute should be judged on a case by case .
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
I wonder if Sully would've pulled the chute?
I wonder if Sully would've pulled the chute?
jhugz
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Re: Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past d
Nah he would'va pitched for best glide aiming for the nearest puddle of water around and grease the thing all while sounding cool on the radio with no help from his FO.
Nah he would'va pitched for best glide aiming for the nearest puddle of water around and grease the thing all while sounding cool on the radio with no help from his FO.