Pilot dies as single-engine plane flies 300 miles past dest.

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SeanD said:
RIP. Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of SR-22s crash?
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jynxyjoe said:
Cue the cirrus apologists.
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SmoothLanderJ said:
I was JUST thinking the same thing when I read this topic. It really does to me.
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mtsu_av8er said:
The Cirrus attracts a "special" kind of person . . .
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...because the type of airplane is relevant at all in this case. It wasn't an inflight breakup, it wasn't someone tooling along in icing conditions they shouldn't have been in or doing an over-water leg and suffering engine failure.

RIP.

-mini
 
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What about the guys that passed out in the BE-200 several years ago? Wow!
 
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t-cart said:
What about the guys that passed out in the BE-200 several years ago? Wow!
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Or the guy that died in the 90 not long ago and the pilot in the back landed it?

Or the crew that died in Payne Stewart's Learjet?

...those damn cirruseseses

-mini
 
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If there is the perception that a lot of Cirriii are crashing these days, it's not because they attract a "special kind of pilot" as one person eloquently stated... yeah that might be a somewhat true statement, but I'd say they are perceived to be involved in a lot of crashed lately because they are selling like hotcakes over the past few years. You don't hear about a lot of Ferraris crashing because there aren't a lot of them... you hear about Fords and Chevys crashing. Same here... you hear about 172s and SR22s.

Just my .02
 
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To be honest with you the Cirri Nah Sayers do not want this aircraft ever to do well. There are many crashes happening all the time but the one's we see are the Cirri to prove a point. There have been an unusually high amount of accidents just because of stupidity (lack of ADM) on the pilot's part not on the fault of Cirrus' Aircraft, Sales, or Training. Let's take for example the CAPS system. A lot of people hhhhhate this system. They can't think of a reason why they would ever need it. Bottom line though it saves lives if used properly. If I ever lost an engine in a Cirri and I am not over an airport even in rural Indiania, I am pulling the shute. I just have a better probability of survival of pulling the shute up high then deadsticking it down low (with the possiblity of wires and such). Many don't agree with this mindset and want to be old school making the news landing the airplane on the interstate.

I again say:
Cirrus performance doesn't kill pilots a lack of ADM kills Cirrus pilots.
 
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I've been flying SR-22's "On-Demand" for about a month now (Thanks Jetcareers), and I can definitely understand how people get themselves in trouble in this aircraft. With all of the information it is providing to you, it is very easy to forget the airplane is only a single - piston with fixed gear...

I imagine most low time Cirrus Pilots never even look out the damn windows...

That said, in the hands of an experienced pilot, the info the airplane is providing is the ultimate tool in situational awareness.

I had my doubts about the cirrus before I ever flew one, however if I could afford an airplane right now, I think a Cirrus would be at the top of my list.

And regarding the chute...I've done enough "simulated engine out's" with students over the past 24 months that I am very confident I could dead stick an airplane onto an airport...golf course...field etc... in VMC conditions...

That said, if it's night and 100 VV you can bet your arse I am pulling that chute, and i'll be damn glad it's there.
 
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jhugz said:
They can't think of a reason why they would ever need it. Bottom line though it saves lives if used properly. If I ever lost an engine in a Cirri and I am not over an airport even in rural Indiania, I am pulling the shute.
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IMO, that's Cirrus' marketing getting to you. "Pull early, pull often" is their motto over at the COPA board, isn't it? I don't like the idea of giving up control of the aircraft assuming I can still control it.

MikeOH58 said:
That said, if it's night and 100 VV you can bet your arse I am pulling that chute, and i'll be damn glad it's there.
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Actually that's just another argument for flying planes with two noise makers when it's IFR.

I understand it isn't always possible...but it's a damned good idea.

-mini
 
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MikeOH58 said:
And regarding the chute...I've done enough "simulated engine out's" with students over the past 24 months that I am very confident I could dead stick an airplane onto an airport...golf course...field etc... in VMC conditions...

That said, if it's night and 100 VV you can bet your arse I am pulling that chute, and i'll be damn glad it's there.
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I was the same way until talking to the Direct of Something or other for Sales in the Blah Blah Blah Region of AirShares. Yeah don't remember the exact title but he is pretty far up the totem pole for the company. He explained to me (and this is someone with thousands of hours dual given in Cirri) why he would pull the chute at any time other then over the airport. He first asked me what type of Car do I have. I said a Kia Rio. He then asked me if I would feel comfortable driving through a corn field or any field for that matter at 90 miles per hour with out knowing exactly what kinda bumps or boulders could be in that field (let alone power lines). I of course said no. He then asked me why would I do that in an airplane if you have this great safety feature above your head. If you hit anything big that shears a main or nosewheel off and it causes you to cartwheel you are hosed. He then explained to me how he wanted to live and would do anything in his power to keep himself alive in the event of an emergency and if that mean playing the probability game of pulling the chute so be it. Changed the way I thought about the chute.
 
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jhugz said:
I was the same way until talking to the Direct of Something or other for Sales...

Changed the way I thought about the chute.
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Sounds like he did his job and did it well.

-mini
 
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minitour said:
IMO, that's Cirrus' marketing getting to you. "Pull early, pull often" is their motto over at the COPA board, isn't it? I don't like the idea of giving up control of the aircraft assuming I can still control it.
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Mini like I said before I used to be a major hater of the chute. However we as pilot's never had the option of the chute before this airplane. The law of primacy is hard to break. You had to fly the airplane into the ground because it was either that or die. There is now a better option, which is pulling the chute. Pull early, pull often is actually a good slogan. There has been to many Cirri accidents/fatals that could have been avoided through a chute pull or a proper chute pull. It is a tough concept to give up control of the aircraft and we as pilot's are a proud species but if the you know what hits the fan I want the out that has the best probability of survival and let the Fed's and Insurance company figure out the rest.
 
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jhugz said:
I was the same way until talking to the Direct of Something or other for Sales in the Blah Blah Blah Region of AirShares. Yeah don't remember the exact title but he is pretty far up the totem pole for the company. He explained to me (and this is someone with thousands of hours dual given in Cirri) why he would pull the chute at any time other then over the airport. He first asked me what type of Car do I have. I said a Kia Rio. He then asked me if I would feel comfortable driving through a corn field or any field for that matter at 90 miles per hour with out knowing exactly what kinda bumps or boulders could be in that field (let alone power lines). I of course said no. He then asked me why would I do that in an airplane if you have this great safety feature above your head. If you hit anything big that shears a main or nosewheel off and it causes you to cartwheel you are hosed. He then explained to me how he wanted to live and would do anything in his power to keep himself alive in the event of an emergency and if that mean playing the probability game of pulling the chute so be it. Changed the way I thought about the chute.
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Yea...and IF...

You pull the chute and the wind carries you into tree's, buildings, power-lines, fuel farm you're also hosed...

I am going to have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Salesman on this one...Again, super low IMC, I am pulling the chute...VMC and i'm at 7 thousand feet, I am very confident that I can find something within 10-15 miles to land on, without having to pull a damn parachute.
 
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jhugz said:
Pull early, pull often is actually a good slogan.
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

I think with a little more experience you'll change your opinion on that slogan.

-mini
 
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minitour said:
Sounds like he did his job and did it well.

-mini
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He is totally bent on selling me an airplane with my yearly gross coming in at about 15k a year. :) Common man it is just to CFI's shooting the stuff with the more inexperienced one listening and learning.
 
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jhugz said:
He is totally bent on selling me an airplane with my yearly gross coming in at about 15k a year. :) Common man it is just to CFI's shooting the stuff with the more inexperienced one listening and learning.
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A good salesman never lets the salee know he's being sold. ...and now he's got you doing his marketing for him selling the chute as a safety device for any situation except for over an airport.

Yeah, he did his job and did it well.

-mini
 
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CAPS pull Statistics

Note the terrain in the Statistics...CAPS pull survivals in water, trees, mountainous terrain, and power lines.

This is just up to 07 I'll see if I can find anymore for 08-09.
 
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