Phraseology Nazis

A150K said:
What's wrong with saying looking for traffic? I say the reccomended "negative contact" , but I don't see anthing wrong with saying looking for traffic. Now Any traffic in the area please advise, I hate.
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The problem with this one is it's rarely spoken as, "Lookin". It's usually spoken as, "Lookin' for traffic".

As Trafficinsight says, "Cuz you're either negative contact or in sight". That's the ONLY way you're supposed to respond to a traffic advisory (well it's supposed to be "Traffic in sight" but you get the point).

Now think about this for a minute; If you got stepped on or if you didn't key the mic before you started talking, the only thing ATC heard might be "Traffic". Since the word traffic is associated with "Traffic in sight", the controller might think you see it and move on to the next issue on the screen. This might just cause you more problems than you benefit from being short or cool with your radio transmission.

The one I really love is, "No contact with the traffic". What a tard! But more importantly, what did the controller hear? Did he/she hear the word contact that is associated with "I don't see the plane" OR did the controller hear the word traffic as in "I see the plane"?

"Negative Contact" and "Traffic in Sight" not any more difficult to say than six thousand, five hundred but then again it's not nearly as COOL as "Six point five", "Lookin'", or "Got 'em on the fish finder".
 
The thing I hate about guys with "pet peeves" about phraseology is they have a certain thing that gets their goat but they make mistakes all the time as well. If I'm EVER corrected in the cockpit that person better speak as if there were reading from the 7110.65. Yeah it may be annoying to you but try flying into an uncontrolled airport you've never been to in a jet and you see TCAS targets but no one is talking. I don't care if it is or isn't in the AIM I'm going to ask in one form or fashion if there is any traffic. That might chap your ass if you've been in the pattern bombing around in a 172 for the past hour but I don't want to rely on sugar pop making his "left final" call I want the big picture on where the traffic is so I can plan accordingly. Relying on the AIM to dictate how you fly is ridiculous. It's a guide and it's a great resource but some people think that if it's not in the AIM you can't do it.
 
mikecweb said:
Relying on the AIM to dictate how you fly is ridiculous. It's a guide and it's a great resource but some people think that if it's not in the AIM you can't do it.
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Ah yes, reminds me of another best selling book from a few hundred years ago.
 
dustoff17 said:
Good thing he didn't say something REALLY retarded like, "Lookin' for traffic" or, "Any traffic in the area please advise". Man, no telling what would have been said then!

I figure if it's really wrong, the controller will make the correction. Not my place........
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"any traffic in the area please advise"

Ive personally heard this phrase start a 5 minute argument on the radio :insane:
 
It's absolutely wrong to have an argument over the radio but there's a big difference between this:

mikecweb said:
........ Relying on the AIM to dictate how you fly is ridiculous. It's a guide and it's a great resource but some people think that if it's not in the AIM you can't do it.
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And this:
"Traffic in the area please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition". - AIM

Even if I ONLY use this as "guidance", there's no grey area in the words "should not be used under any condition".
 
Your grey area word is "should".
When I run into the back of a 152 that hasn't made a radio call since I've switched to CTAF I don't think it'll say on my casket that at least I followed the AIM.
 
I guess if you want to be that way you could have said that the grey area word is "under".

Next time you're flying into an uncontrolled/familiar airport in your jet why don't you just fly "under" the 152?
 
dustoff17 said:
I guess if you want to be that way you could have said that the grey area word is "under".

Next time you're flying into an uncontrolled/familiar airport in your jet why don't you just fly "under" the 152?
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I wouldn't know if he was there to fly under him unless I asked if there was any traffic in the area. ;)
 
BenZwebner said:
My BIGGEST radio pet peve is the all too common:

"Montgomery Traffic, Cherokee ABC123, Clear of the Active"
"Montgomery Traffic, Cherokee ABC123, taking the Active"

Well good for you Mr. "I want to sound cool and use lingo" Man. Well done.
But what, pray tell, IS the active and furthermore, WHERE exactly and you TAKING it?
I am going to need that active so you better damn well put it back where you found it!

For a pilot just coming on frequency, especially student pilots and ESPECIALLY at multiple runway airports there could be any combinations of actives because we as pilot make our own decision. We would like to all use the same runway but if all you say is "The Active" we have no clue what you are talking about and leaves the rest of us guessing.

What if you are "taking the active for departure" and you are using runway 18 but I am on final to "The Active" too, but my active is runway 36. I am sure that you and I will see eye to eye right before we collide.

Would it kill you to use a runway number?

Now i'm all worked up... :laff:
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This one has bugged me for a while. People would say that at an uncontrolled field I used to train/teach at.

Typically you could guess according to the winds, but there was a 13/31 and 18/36, so given a number of wind directions, I had no clue. I then would have to ask. Do us all a favor and just say the runway number. They painted giant freaking numbers on there for a reason.
 
It was probably some weekend warrior on flight following. One of the types who spends all week with his nose in the FAR/AIM and only flies one hour per month. There's a bunch of those up here hoggin up the air to air and CTAFs during the summer. I just ignore them.
 
pilot1278 said:
It was probably some weekend warrior on flight following. One of the types who spends all week with his nose in the FAR/AIM and only flies one hour per month. There's a bunch of those up here hoggin up the air to air and CTAFs during the summer. I just ignore them.
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Hey, atleast he reads the FAR/AIM. I know of one weekend warrior who flys with charts from 1999. Seriosly though, incorrect phraseology does not bother me as much as hogging airtime does. And I try to be as by the book as practical. When departing a busy field all the controller really needs to hear is the who, where, what do you want rule, "ABQ ground, cessna 1234 at cutter taxi with delta (assuming he already contacted CD like the ATIS always says)", not " ABQ ground errr uhhhh cessna 123 suggah pop is by some chevron sign requesting a taxi with errrrrrr uhhhhhhhhhhh derrrr zuu eer zulu and uhhh we'll be goin to T or C for some green chili burgers and errrrr you will give me flight following uhhhhhhh over." Same goes for the SAF (or ABQ?) based Netjets guy who always seems to take 3 tries to read back his clearance (No CD freq up in SAF). It's not just the pilots either, there is one particular controller in SAF who really loves the sound of his own voice...
 
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