Phraseology Nazis

A150K

A150K

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This morning departing ABQ for SAF I heard an interesting encounter over the departure freq. :

WN pilot:"ABQ dep. Southwest 1234, 6 and a half for eleven"

Random d-bag: "You're supposed to say 6 thousand five-hundred, it's in the AIM"

Really?! Who cares how it is said if it gets the message across, and even if you do care, do you really have to broadcast your feelings over an active frequency at a major Class C airport? Some pilots realy need to get over themselves....
 
A150K said:
This morning departing ABQ for SAF I heard an interesting encounter over the departure freq. :

WN pilot:"ABQ dep. Southwest 1234, 6 and a half for eleven"

Random d-bag: "You're supposed to say 6 thousand five-hundred, it's in the AIM"

Really?! Who cares how it is said if it gets the message across, and even if you do care, do you really have to broadcast your feelings over an active frequency at a major Class C airport? Some pilots realy need to get over themselves....
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It happens, carry on.
 
I think people who work over the holidays get excessively grumpy. I try not to!

Example:

I was taxiing yesterday at a busy airport with a planeload of people, visibility was about 1 SM so of course I had my taxi light on while taxiing *gasp*. Well, we come face to face with a "supertug" who is instructed to give way to us before we make a turn, but in the mean time we are taxiing head on for about 30 seconds. This guy proceeds to turn every light on his tug on, then flash it a couple of times, "angry big rig" style, as if to tell me to turn off my taxi light. I road raged him right back with all 3 landing lights and he backed off. Seriously...at night, okay, I would turn them off, but during the day is it really that hard not to be blinded by a taxi light? I'm sure someone will tell me I have bad light etiquette, but during the day, in low vis conditions, I keep the taxi light on when the airplane is moving, especially off the ramp.

And the gate agents yesterday....oh the huge manatee. I'm used to being treated like a worthless "express" peon but yesterday it was like dealing with sling blade on a bender. No offense to anyone on here who might be a gate agent, but this "certain airline" at this "certain airport" has a penchant for hiring real charmers.

Ahh, venting is fun!
 
Alchemy said:
I think people who work over the holidays get excessively grumpy. I try not to!

Example:

I was taxiing yesterday at a busy airport with a planeload of people, visibility was about 1 SM so of course I had my taxi light on while taxiing *gasp*. Well, we come face to face with a "supertug" who has give way to us before we make a turn, but in the mean time we are taxiing head on for about 30 seconds. This guy proceeds to turn every light on his tug on, then flash it a couple of times, "angry big rig" style, as if to tell me to turn off my taxi light. I road raged him right back with all 3 landing lights and he backed off. Seriously...at night, okay, I would turn them off, but during the day is it really that hard not to be blinded by a taxi light? I'm sure someone will tell me I have bad light etiquette, but during the day, in low vis conditions, I keep the taxi light on when the airplane is moving, especially off the ramp.

And the gate agents yesterday....oh the huge manatee. I'm used to being treated like a worthless "express" peon but yesterday it was like dealing with sling blade on a bender. No offense to anyone on here who might be a gate agent, but this "certain airline" at this "certain airport" has a penchant for hiring real charmers.

Ahh, venting is fun!
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Yeah, I worked over the holidays (currently not working in aviation), it can be a sucky time to work, but like you I try to make the best of it.

LOL, road rage on the taxy way, gotta love it.
 
Is it technically incorrect? Yes, I suppose.

Does it break the rules of brevity and clear/concise/correct comm? No.

Is it even remotely worth correcting over the air? No. And especially with a worthless transmission that takes up even more airtime?

My only pet peeve are those who blab over the air or use useless phrases; still thats nothing I feel is my job to correct anyone over, and especially not to block the frequency with my own blabbing noise to do it.
 
A150K said:
This morning departing ABQ for SAF I heard an interesting encounter over the departure freq. :

WN pilot:"ABQ dep. Southwest 1234, 6 and a half for eleven"

Random d-bag: "You're supposed to say 6 thousand five-hundred, it's in the AIM"

Really?! Who cares how it is said if it gets the message across, and even if you do care, do you really have to broadcast your feelings over an active frequency at a major Class C airport? Some pilots realy need to get over themselves....
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Lots of Nazis out there in everything..

It's best to just be as professional as possible..
 
I feel like getting my radio nazi on every now and then, like when i hear Line up and Wait, or even better Position and Hold, at my airport. Its not the phrase, but that they are doing it at a non towered airport. Its not just some weekend warriors, but also business jets that regularly fly in and out of here.

O well. I still would never correct someone on the radio, especially if its something other than CTAF.


A150K, did the controller have any comment on the remark, or was it generally not acknowledged?
 
FlyinSol0 said:
I feel like getting my radio nazi on every now and then, like when i hear Line up and Wait, or even better Position and Hold, at my airport. Its not the phrase, but that they are doing it at a non towered airport. Its not just some weekend warriors, but also business jets that regularly fly in and out of here.

O well. I still would never correct someone on the radio, especially if its something other than CTAF.


A150K, did the controller have any comment on the remark, or was it generally not acknowledged?
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Everybody just ignored him. I called him what he was outloud, but in the privacy of the cockpit.
 
MikeD said:
My only pet peeve are those who blab over the air or use useless phrases; still thats nothing I feel is my job to correct anyone over, and especially not to block the frequency with my own blabbing noise to do it.
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My pet peeve exactly. I try to be as short, to the point and by the book as possible. My favorite is when the weekend warriors come blasting throught the ABQ class C with transmissions like this:

"Uhhhhhhh ABQ approach control, Bonanza ninah ninah six suggah pop is over some little airport east of you with lots of gliders flying around it (Moriarty...) and uhhhh we'll be passin through your space on our way to St. Johns for some lunch looking for a beacon code uhhhh over (holds mic for another 10 seconds)"
-True story and a TX accent to go with it.
 
Over the radio correction is nuts, but using the correct phraseology is important, particularly if you ever fly outside the U.S.
 
A150K said:
This morning departing ABQ for SAF I heard an interesting encounter over the departure freq. :

WN pilot:"ABQ dep. Southwest 1234, 6 and a half for eleven"

Random d-bag: "You're supposed to say 6 thousand five-hundred, it's in the AIM"
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I just sent a 5 page letter to the FSDO. Youurree in trouubble!!!


What can I say? not a good practice - sure. Tell a student not to say it? Absolutely. Frequency is jammed up --- yeah, I do it too.

Then again, while it isn't worth your breath complaining about it on frequency - it isn't worth my time typing either. My Bad.
 
Good thing he didn't say something REALLY retarded like, "Lookin' for traffic" or, "Any traffic in the area please advise". Man, no telling what would have been said then!

I figure if it's really wrong, the controller will make the correction. Not my place........
 
I'm as much in favor of pilots using the recommended radio phraseology as anyone but...

...I'm trying to figure out where in the AIM it recommends that a pilot use up radio time on an Approach/Departure frequency in order to chastise someone for not following the AIM recommendations in their radio communications.
 
A150K said:
This morning departing ABQ for SAF I heard an interesting encounter over the departure freq. :

WN pilot:"ABQ dep. Southwest 1234, 6 and a half for eleven"

Random d-bag: "You're supposed to say 6 thousand five-hundred, it's in the AIM"

Really?! Who cares how it is said if it gets the message across, and even if you do care, do you really have to broadcast your feelings over an active frequency at a major Class C airport? Some pilots realy need to get over themselves....
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I'm not going to be popular for saying this but here it goes anyway...

Why is there a problem when somebody is corrected? Why is that second pilot a d-bag or nazi for correcting somebody else? That part in bold is exactly why FAA pilots are known worldwide for having the worst RT. It's probably why the SWA pilot said it in the first place too...
 
Chief Captain said:
I'm not going to be popular for saying this but here it goes anyway...

Why is there a problem when somebody is corrected? Why is that second pilot a d-bag or nazi for correcting somebody else? That part in bold is exactly why FAA pilots are known worldwide for having the worst RT. It's probably why the SWA pilot said it in the first place too...
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It's not a pilot's job to get on the radio and hog airtime telling another pilot, who in this case probably has a decade or two of flying experience, that "six and a half" is not the proper way to say 6,500', even if it only takes a second.

My gosh. As if it matters? The thing is climbing a hundred feet every two seconds at that point.
 
seagull said:
Over the radio correction is nuts, but using the correct phraseology is important, particularly if you ever fly outside the U.S.
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Agreed.

And the other guy was a dork for wasting bandwidth with his comment.

Some guys take all damned day to get a message across and it's always when I need to circumnavigate a cell or clarify a clearance that Mr "Bostooooooon, hey how are yah....Airliner 419 checkin' onnnnnn wit-chya 3-9-OH, How ya DOIN?" just stepped on.
 
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