Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
John Hollingsworth is gonna be ina world of hurt if he gets furloughed from 9E with a $78k tag for ATP!
PCL hires 8 of 11 from ATP
- Thread starter ComplexHiAv8r
- Start date
- Status
John Hollingsworth is gonna be ina world of hurt if he gets furloughed from 9E with a $78k tag for ATP!
Captain_Bob
Well-Known Member
If he can afford it... then he may not be...
I'd be more concerned about the guy or gal that has basic bills to pay to support his/her spouse and family, with a car loan or two, and a house payment, along with old college tuition bills and maybe some future ones coming up... combined with maybe a 20k-30k career loan and a promise to their spouse that this will all lead to a better life.
The single guy with a load of debt can get by on ramen and a different job for a while.
...and Max... lot's of JCr's work for 9E. Let's keep the doom and gloom to a minimum.
Bob
I'd be more concerned about the guy or gal that has basic bills to pay to support his/her spouse and family, with a car loan or two, and a house payment, along with old college tuition bills and maybe some future ones coming up... combined with maybe a 20k-30k career loan and a promise to their spouse that this will all lead to a better life.
The single guy with a load of debt can get by on ramen and a different job for a while.
...and Max... lot's of JCr's work for 9E. Let's keep the doom and gloom to a minimum.
Bob
CaptChris
New Member
No clue whether the guy I was talking about was an intern, an ATP grad or whatever. As for spending $80k, having low time, etc. I was working with a student in the CFI days (A guy late 40's--accomplished real estate investor, more money than he knew what to do with) and he just wanted to fly for an airline. He went to ATP--paid the $$$, got his hours, his three hours in the citation, and all his ratings and is now flying for ***MESA***!!!
Good for him I guess. He realized late in life that he'd spent 20 years working at something he could care less about, and his dream was and always has been flying. To some 80k is no big deal, to others---they'll be paying their loans off to the day they die. I agree with DE727.... we all want to think that OUR way was the best. Probably just so we don't feel like WE got ripped off!
Good for him I guess. He realized late in life that he'd spent 20 years working at something he could care less about, and his dream was and always has been flying. To some 80k is no big deal, to others---they'll be paying their loans off to the day they die. I agree with DE727.... we all want to think that OUR way was the best. Probably just so we don't feel like WE got ripped off!
adreamer
Well-Known Member
What's the best way to learn a foreign language? Taking classes over several years while still having other things in life get in the way? (that soooo didn't work for me and my spanish!)
No, it is not craming, In my opinion. I am immersing myself in full Eglish environment. Now, at least I can talk to "ATC"
I think it is great idea. About 9E hires 8 out 11 ATP guys, it is good for them. Like someelse said, they still need to know how to read Jepp charts, flying the sim, pass written to get on with 9E. Nothing more, nothing less.
adreamer
Airdale
Well-Known Member
You'll learn a lot at ATP. But in the grand scheme of things, you won't learn very much. I think the real knowledge kicks in when you teach aviation.
As far as that dude, I hope he didn't take out a loan. My loan is not as high as his, but let me tell you, sleepless nights over the bank man chasing me are rather common, especially when you look at pay scales.
Its like that Country song, "What was I thinking!!" :cwm27:
As far as that dude, I hope he didn't take out a loan. My loan is not as high as his, but let me tell you, sleepless nights over the bank man chasing me are rather common, especially when you look at pay scales.
Its like that Country song, "What was I thinking!!" :cwm27:
Vladimir Lenin
New Member
if you pay for a useless sic right seat warmer type in an rj, you might be a tool...
hey, capn bob, are you one of those mid-30s career changing types that atp loves so much?
hey, capn bob, are you one of those mid-30s career changing types that atp loves so much?
Fly777bigBIRD
New Member
ATP MUST HAVE GOOD REPUTATION NOW HUH?!:nana2: :nana2: cant belive all got hired lol
i must go there
i must go there
Captain_Bob
Well-Known Member
Hey there Vlad,
There are no "Types" given out at ATP. Sooooo, I guess those guys aren't tools after all. Thanks for clarifying that.
As for me... I'm a mid-30's career changing type that ANY flight school would have loved to get their hands on... I chose ATP. Got my Private in Maine and trained & flew FBO style for 2 years prior to chooseing where I would go get my advanced ratings.
Bob
Vladimir Lenin
New Member
uh ha
define the airline transition course for me, capn
define the airline transition course for me, capn
LoadMasterC141
Well-Known Member
---Walks into poo-flinging thread to look around----
---Gets' popcorn out, dons anti-poo suit, sits on sideline to watch entertainment.---
---Wow this guy seems like a......Hmmm.....knucklehead---
---Yup he is---
---Seems to all make sense to me. Bob manages to make some very good logical arguments with minimal amounts of poo applied---
---God, no matter how old I get, don't ever let me utter that phrase.---
---Ouch! Don Splatters the poopie everywhere! Match point!
---Gets' popcorn out, dons anti-poo suit, sits on sideline to watch entertainment.---
BrettInLJ
Well-Known Member
I guess I would fit that type too. Well... EARLY 30's.
Didn't go to ATP though. Honestly, I don't have any problems with the school itself, but I don't like the idea of those high priced programs designed to get around flight instructing. Personally, I went the instructing route and got offered the PCL september class date less than a year after starting as a CFI. Much better from a financial perspective, as all my training specific loans are paid off.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
...and Max... lot's of JCr's work for 9E. Let's keep the doom and gloom to a minimum.
Bob
No doom & gloom scenario. I wasn't talking about NWA's current situation with empending CHAOS. I was just being general and making reference to the unstability of the airline industry and the fact that anyone can and could be furloughed at any point or for any reason. And how that'd suck with a $78k loan to pay off.
No offense meant to any Flagship drivers...
jonnyb
Well-Known Member
Not really that funny there guy. Seriously you should stick with your day job, comedy isn't your gig.
meritflyer
Well-Known Member
I kinda gotta agree that ATP's programs are a little fast for me personally. I did ATP CFI school but attended another large flight academy for my other ratings. I was very well prepared for ATP and the FAA knew it. It was without question my prior training. The inspector commented saying that I must have had training elsewhere.
Anyways, I also felt the ATP 90 guys and CFIs were a little less detailed in their knowledge base than a few of the other guys that came from schools like Pan Am where they have a very rigours program with somewhat of an academic standard.
Vladimir Lenin
New Member
hey, load taker, why dontcha run four legs through philly, on a mid july afternoon, with a broken apu and a full lav...with flow control in effect at the end of a four day with two overnights in white plains
then get back to me about 121 flying and how someone is smart to have dropped a cool 90 g's to get here faster
tool
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
You know this isn't flight info right?
- Status