PCL hires 8 of 11 from ATP

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blee256 said:
Yeah, I saw that too. I hope he comes from a rich family and daddy paid it. Because I would hate to see that payment book. I have a hard enough time paying my loan, and its no where near that amount.

Alot of the big academies charge that much. In the past, shiny brochures was all we got. and as a fresh wannabe pilot you dont know better to shell out that kind of cash. But in this day and age there really isnt an excuse to spend that kind of cash, to be a pilot. There is too much info out there on the internet to know that there are better options.
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At least he got to where he wanted to be paying all that money. I got over $100K debt as a result of going to CAPT and they failed to provide me with placement assistance. That debt is going to be over $175K over the 15 years at a variable APR currently at 8.5%. It's eating me alive. So I'm glad ATP works better than CAPT. And you're right, there are better options. And those options are A LOT better than CAPT for sure. So if you got the money, go to ATP or FlightSafety. Just don't waste your time or money looking at CAPT. I'm living proof that you may get screwed by them...me and 20% of the people they haven't placed to-date. And with ASA and Pinnacle not hiring CAPT graduates and an expired contract with Focus Air, they pretty much have NO airline to send their graduates right now. A real bargin!
 
Just to get some facts straight, the lowest time person hired had about 300-350 total time and did not do an internship.
 
Vladimir Lenin said:
hey, load taker, why dontcha run four legs through philly, on a mid july afternoon, with a broken apu and a full lav...with flow control in effect at the end of a four day with two overnights in white plains
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Boo hoo... You poor AWAC guys would just SO much rather be back up in the mid west. We know...

(Just kidding really. Try a 6 leg day with no APU or FMS thru PHL. Then you can come complaining to me.)
 
I really never thought a paraglider was a good idea. It seemed you were missing many parts from the start
 
Vladimir Lenin said:
hey, load taker, why dontcha run four legs through philly, on a mid july afternoon, with a broken apu and a full lav...with flow control in effect at the end of a four day with two overnights in white plains

then get back to me about 121 flying and how someone is smart to have dropped a cool 90 g's to get here faster

tool
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I'm getting awfully tired of the word "tool"....just an FYI :)
 
There's an awful lot of mud slinging going on here. So then...having read the posts, let me ask the following questions:
1. What is a tool?
2. They are tools for what?
3. How does name-calling and mud slinging help the millions of people who come on each day to further advance their careers in aviation?
4. What is this really hoping to achieve that's positive?

I agree with everyone who states that for every good FBO school, there are bad ones, and for every good large flight school/institution, there are bad ones. It works for some and it doesn't for others. Some of the people who have been hired by 9E were instructors, not necessarily taking the RJ course. Same goes for XJT, and other airlines.

Neil
 
Kingairer said:
Thanks for straightning that out...There for a minute I thought they were low time
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Kingairer I wrote it because some people doubted that someone of such low time got hired.

You know better than I but I'm certainly in agreement with you in that a captain might kinda feel like they're flying solo with an FO who didn't know anything about flying in February of this year and now September is here and they are to fly a jet.
 
Vladimir Lenin said:
hey, load taker, why dontcha run four legs through philly, on a mid july afternoon, with a broken apu and a full lav...with flow control in effect at the end of a four day with two overnights in white plains

then get back to me about 121 flying and how someone is smart to have dropped a cool 90 g's to get here faster

tool
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I will refrain from adding more poo to the equation and add a serious reply.
You are right. I have never done that. I have, however, worked as a 141 load, on a 21 day trip, with very similar conditions and situations, though instead of Philly, replace with Ndola, Zambia, or Sierra Leone.

I would drop a cool 90gs in a heartbeat, if I had it. I certainly would not pay the interest on a loan that big though. Adding to it, I am tossing away a good $70k/yr job just to get to the situation you describe; It beasts the hell out of sitting in a windowless cubicle data mining as an excel jockey with 2 weeks a year of vacation, and weekends off if you are lucky;)
 
Vladimir Lenin said:
tools
121 will get old pretty soon though, and they'll be looking somewhere else for a fast track
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What the hell do you want? The airlines are barely paying for their pilots to have ratings, let alone hours and/or college. For a 20K a year job, I sure as hell wouldn't put any more effort into getting hired then I had to.
 
Well, last I heard (and this was BEFORE 8/30 when the ATP guys were hired), the 9/11 class already had 30 people in it. Not sure if it was 30 people or 30 SLOTS, so, either the ATP guys are getting their own class (yeah right) or they're getting sent to the pool (unless it was 30 slots instead of 30 people in the class).

As for the buying of the RJ transition program, they'll feel that pain unless they a) have a lot of money saved b) mom and dad are footing the bill or c) they paid cold hard cash. There were two guys in my ground school that did the ATP RJ class (both instructors in a college aviation program), and they BOTH said if they had known what ground school at PCL was gonna be like, they woulda saved their cash. It was pretty much the exact same thing, but free. Hell, they got paid $200 a week to sit through it, take notes, learn and pass. Now, I'd much rather get paid to do that than pay someone else.

There was one guy in my class from CAPT with 220 hours total, and there were about 6 out of the class that didn't make it though the sims/IOE. The ride isn't over yet for the ATP guys. If they don't make it through ground school, it's gonna be tough to get another regional job with those hours.

BTW, wheelsup. It's not $19/hr, it's $20.73. Don't gip me of my extra $1.73. :)
 
"For a 20K a year job, I sure as hell wouldn't put any more effort into getting hired then I had to"

Yeah, never really thought of it that way but I see your point.
 
kellwolf said:
Well, last I heard (and this was BEFORE 8/30 when the ATP guys were hired), the 9/11 class already had 30 people in it. Not sure if it was 30 people or 30 SLOTS, so, either the ATP guys are getting their own class (yeah right) or they're getting sent to the pool (unless it was 30 slots instead of 30 people in the class).
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No pool... it's a start date.

kellwolf said:
...There were two guys in my ground school that did the ATP RJ class (both instructors in a college aviation program), and they BOTH said if they had known what ground school at PCL was gonna be like, they woulda saved their cash. It was pretty much the exact same thing, but free. Hell, they got paid $200 a week to sit through it, take notes, learn and pass. Now, I'd much rather get paid to do that than pay someone else.
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Who wouldn't rather get paid to train? :) But you bring up an excellent point. "It was pretty much the exact same thing..." that says something to the training they received and it probably made them feel real comfortable in ground school... therein lies the advantage or value of the program. Call it a Ground School Prep Course if you will. How many guys spend thousands of dollars for interview and SIM prep for Interviews at Fedex, SouthWest, etc? Lots. Many don't... but those that do probably feel more comfortable in the interview or GS... so the value is up to the individual.

Also, folks who take the course get the 121 interview opportunity as part of the deal. So... your GS buddies can put it down and say they wished they would have saved their money... but then how long would it have taken them to get the interview without the course? How many numbers behind you in seniority would they be? What kind of a difference would that have made for them when it came to Reserve time, potential furlough, upgrade, etc.? I don't know the answer to that obviously... but it's a consideration point.

kellwolf said:
The ride isn't over yet for the ATP guys. If they don't make it through ground school, it's gonna be tough to get another regional job with those hours.
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Your right of course... I can't think of anybody else besides SkyWest, Colgan, Eagle, PSA, and XJT who'd hire them. ;)

Bob
 
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