Pay raise today

If it recognizes the fact that we are professionals, who bear a heavy responsibility AND recognizes that we are people with lives outside of aviation I will vote yes.

In other words, good pay rate, good schedule protections, good benefits. It's way over due and stopped being fun years ago.


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Its going to have to be a hell of a pay raise for FOs for my yes vote. Im assuming that once an SLI is worked out, Ill be an FO for a few more years, and at the current pay rate, I just cant do it much longer.
 
v1valarob said:
Its going to have to be a hell of a pay raise for FOs for my yes vote. Im assuming that once an SLI is worked out, Ill be an FO for a few more years, and at the current pay rate, I just cant do it much longer.
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Eh, SLI hasn't even started, you could be -900 CA next year for all we know. I'll show you where the magic awesome sauce is in the -900 that makes everything... awesome.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Everything I had heard, was that we were getting the 4 hour min day, how did the wheels come off the car on that one?? Will call reps. Jeesh.
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That's what I heard, or at least the company isn't putting a big red line through that section when they send their proposal back across the table.

Stryder, it would count for those 9 hour RR days you and I SO LOVE, but not home reserve. Like it matters. I haven't had a home reserve I didn't get called in about 4 months. 4 hour min day + 11 days off = reserves break guarantee every month since we'll be used every day anyway.

I'll have to read the healthcare VERY carefully, but if there's any kind of "pilot pays up to $X for non-generic brand medications," which is what I THINK XJ's says, but I don't know, it'll get the big "thumbs down" from me. My wife lost her mind and accidentally threw away her meds for the month, and we had to pay out of pocket for that because the insurance company (understandably) wouldn't cover a replacement. Lemme tell ya, that is NOT cheap since there are few generic bipolar meds on the market....
 
kellwolf said:
if there's any kind of "pilot pays up to $X for non-generic brand medications," which is what I THINK XJ's says, but I don't know, it'll get the big "thumbs down" from me. My wife lost her mind and accidentally threw away her meds for the month, and we had to pay out of pocket for that because the insurance company (understandably) wouldn't cover a replacement.
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If this non-sense TA ever comes around and it is our stupid plan I'll get you in touch with a couple guys I know who get screwed by our plan regularly. I know for sure one guy just told me it was close to 1500 a year he loses to just one prescription. It's hard to follow it all, but it sounded like once you hit this magic 1000 dollar amount they start covering most of the bottle's cost, however, you're still looking at 50 bones a bottle.

This health care stuff is confusing to me (29 year old male who wouldn't know where to find his doctor's phone number or name) because I don't use it much (at all). People who do, want the Pinnacle plan badly, which is what I understood we were getting. I can't keep up and the de-briefs for this negotiating sessions are 2 hours on our side, so the informations is overwhelming to me. All I get is the cliffnotes.

If we do get a TA, we need to have late night study sessions at a dennys or something and start writing questions on legal pads for the reps. We can do it at my house but I don't know if anyone wants to drive clear to bartlett.
 
jynxyjoe said:
If this non-sense TA ever comes around and it is our stupid plan I'll get you in touch with a couple guys I know who get screwed by our plan regularly. I know for sure one guy just told me it was close to 1500 a year he loses to just one prescription. It's hard to follow it all, but it sounded like once you hit this magic 1000 dollar amount they start covering most of the bottle's cost, however, you're still looking at 50 bones a bottle.

This health care stuff is confusing to me (29 year old male who wouldn't know where to find his doctor's phone number or name) because I don't use it much (at all). People who do, want the Pinnacle plan badly, which is what I understood we were getting. I can't keep up and the de-briefs for this negotiating sessions are 2 hours on our side, so the informations is overwhelming to me. All I get is the cliffnotes.

If we do get a TA, we need to have late night study sessions at a dennys or something and start writing questions on legal pads for the reps. We can do it at my house but I don't know if anyone wants to drive clear to bartlett.
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Have it at Saucer.
 
I heard management is pushing for dual qualification for 200/900, that would end up being a pay cut for any junior CA/FO 900 drivers.
 
B said:
I heard management is pushing for dual qualification for 200/900, that would end up being a pay cut for any junior CA/FO 900 drivers.
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Paycut for everybody, they'll end up trying to credit you sick time and vacation time and base reserve time off the "200" rates. I guarantee it!
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Paycut for everybody, they'll end up trying to credit you sick time and vacation time and base reserve time off the "200" rates. I guarantee it!
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I doubt Pinnacle pilots will let that happen. I think Pinnacle management is going to have to learn (one way or another) that they have to buy off the bitterness of the pinnacle pilot group. By the way, the interest payments will kill you. I have a feeling I'm going to be doing some walking before Christmas comes.
 
B said:
I heard management is pushing for dual qualification for 200/900, that would end up being a pay cut for any junior CA/FO 900 drivers.
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Read the Pinnacle LOA for dual qual, you still get paid 900 rates. Maybe there is some contract leeway for sick time but Pinnacle pilots are on it.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Read the Pinnacle LOA for dual qual, you still get paid 900 rates. Maybe there is some contract leeway for sick time but Pinnacle pilots are on it.
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Only if you managed to hold a -900 "pay slot." For example, my junior CA but would still be getting paid -200 rates if I called in sick for a -900 trip that was put on my reserve schedule.
 
Conference call with the negotiators right now. 9E guys should have the info if they wanna call in. I'll post the relative info as I get it.....

Section 1

Scope - Parent letter is done. Open issues involve fragmentation language and succesorship.

Section 2

Definitions - Will stay open as a "tie everything up" section since who knows what will need to be defined

Section 3

Compensation - Starting jet FO and Saab rates, 4 hour min day (not just for the jets but for Saab as well), 100% cancellation, extensions/JM/open time pick up premium pay, values of reserve days, training days and check airman pay

Section 4

Travel expenses - open item deals with taxi reimbursements

Section 7

Vacation - vacation slide (company doesn't want it, shocker), vacation pay (what is each day or week worth), how PBS calculates it

Section 11

Training and Testing - times of the day you can't train (AKA no back of the clock sims), how many attempts you get to qualify at each stage (written, oral and checkride), who can do checkrides (check airmen or non-seniority list instructors), work rules for instructor pilots

Section 14

Sick leave - sick pay and fatigue pay and rules

Section 24

Filling of vacancies - re-qual rules (moving equipment)

Section 25

Scheduling - trip trade processing time and request limit, re-scheduling rules (extensions, JM, assigning of open time), ready reserve escalation (TOTALLY different between XJ and 9E), IOE buy out, who pays for the scheduling committee that runs the pairings, long call reserve rules, company wants Call in Honest gone (over every commuter's dead body)

Section 26

General - ready reserve room, computer availability and EFB language

Section 27

Insurance - Trying to keep as close to 9E medical insurance as possible. Company wants pilots to pay significantly more in terms of premiums, Life insurance coverage in terms of annual rate of pay

401k - agreed to, but subject to being changed based on the insurance

Misc

Duration - depends on how the overall deal looks
FOQA, ASAP, and Pro Stands - tying XJ, Colgan and 9E programs together


And the one everyone's been waiting for: picketing at the MEM terminal on Friday....right in front of the Delta ticketing doors.
 
kellwolf said:
Conference call with the negotiators right now. 9E guys should have the info if they wanna call in. I'll post the relative info as I get it.....

Section 1

Scope - Parent letter is done. Open issues involve fragmentation language and succesorship.

Section 2

Definitions - Will stay open as a "tie everything up" section since who knows what will need to be defined

Section 3

Compensation - Starting jet FO and Saab rates, 4 hour min day (not just for the jets but for Saab as well), 100% cancellation, extensions/JM/open time pick up premium pay, values of reserve days, training days and check airman pay

Section 4

Travel expenses - open item deals with taxi reimbursements

Section 7

Vacation - vacation slide (company doesn't want it, shocker), vacation pay (what is each day or week worth), how PBS calculates it

Section 11

Training and Testing - times of the day you can't train (AKA no back of the clock sims), how many attempts you get to qualify at each stage (written, oral and checkride), who can do checkrides (check airmen or non-seniority list instructors), work rules for instructor pilots

Section 14

Sick leave - sick pay and fatigue pay and rules

Section 24

Filling of vacancies - re-qual rules (moving equipment)

Section 25

Scheduling - trip trade processing time and request limit, re-scheduling rules (extensions, JM, assigning of open time), ready reserve escalation (TOTALLY different between XJ and 9E), IOE buy out, who pays for the scheduling committee that runs the pairings, long call reserve rules, company wants Call in Honest gone (over every commuter's dead body)

Section 26

General - ready reserve room, computer availability and EFB language

Section 27

Insurance - Trying to keep as close to 9E medical insurance as possible. Company wants pilots to pay significantly more in terms of premiums, Life insurance coverage in terms of annual rate of pay

401k - agreed to, but subject to being changed based on the insurance

Misc

Duration - depends on how the overall deal looks
FOQA, ASAP, and Pro Stands - tying XJ, Colgan and 9E programs together


And the one everyone's been waiting for: picketing at the MEM terminal on Friday....right in front of the Delta ticketing doors.
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This is the OPEN ? Are you serious?!?!

Any more information on picketing? Colgan pilots welcome?
 
v1valarob said:
This is the OPEN ? Are you serious?!?!

Any more information on picketing? Colgan pilots welcome?
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That's the only picketting announced, but they did say we've got permits for all Delta hubs for a LOT of days this month. ALL pilots are welcome, XJ, Colgan, Delta or anyone else in the area 12:30-2:30ish on Friday. It's right in the middle of the afternoon push.
 
Every pilot is welcome to join. We have permits for every hub, every day up to Xmas. The MEC will be keeping dates close to the vest and meter them out based on participation and what is going on at the table. The 9E guys are furious, I would expect the "vocal" ones on here attend at least one of the multiple events throughout the DL system.
 
higney85 said:
Every pilot is welcome to join. We have permits for every hub, every day up to Xmas. The MEC will be keeping dates close to the vest and meter them out based on participation and what is going on at the table. The 9E guys are furious, I would expect the "vocal" ones on here attend at least one of the multiple events throughout the DL system.
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I'm on home reserve Friday, if they don't use me or put me on ready reserve, I'll be there. We'll just do my wife's birthday on Thursday rather than Friday.
 
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