Pan American Airways is back/been back...

HVYMETALDRVR

HVYMETALDRVR

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http://panamericanairways.net/index.html

There's been numerous reincarnations of the PanAm brand... Two captains I've talked to recently (on separate occasions) mentioned that PanAm was coming back to carry passengers with the intention of being a luxury airline again with the classy white gloved FAs, top notch customer service and everything. According to one, they have 3 (of the 5 needed) major investors needed to get going with passenger service...

So of course, I hit google and came up with the website above, I assume this is what they (those cptns I talked to) were referring too. But I couldn't find any pics of what they fly... it seems they only fly/have flown cargo for now, but plan to fly pax in the future.

Anyone have any more info to share? Could be interesting if they really get off the ground!
 
In Brownsville eh? Maybe they can resurrect a few of the derelict dc-3's and beech 18's rusting down there. Sounds promising. :sarcasm:

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In all seriousness, this would be what, Pan Am IV?
 
Alchemy said:
In Brownsville eh? Maybe they can resurrect a few of the derelict dc-3's and beech 18's rusting down there. Sounds promising. :sarcasm:

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In all seriousness, this would be what, Pan Am IV?
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Yup. Like an 80s movie I like to re-live the good old days (for pilots)... ;)
 
It's not "back" more like someone bought the name, again! :)

I know you know that but I had to say it before any of the PAA fanboys showed up!
 
True. I'd be lying if I said I was really around to remember PanAM in its glory days very well. I'm not that old, but old enough to remember being a couple years old and staring at a monstrous Boeing 747-100 taxi by at JFK...
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Yup. Like an 80s movie I like to re-live the good old days (for pilots)... ;)
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80's!?! That was '93 thank you very much. Beavis, Butthead and Nine Inch Nails reigned supreme! (or maybe Whitney Houston and Seinfeld to the non flannel-shirt/doc marten wearing crowd).
 
Alchemy said:
In Brownsville eh? Maybe they can resurrect a few of the derelict dc-3's and beech 18's rusting down there. Sounds promising. :sarcasm:

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In all seriousness, this would be what, Pan Am IV?
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Fun fact of the day, I've flown both of those two on separate occasions. :smoke:

Okay, continue the thread.
 
Nick said:
Fun fact of the day, I've flown both of those two on separate occasions. :smoke:

Okay, continue the thread.
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When we used to go to the cape I would take Mr. Murray up there several times through out the summer. If he wasn't a famous guy with a good sense of humor I think he would have been arrested several times.
 
Look carefully at the above picture, and you can read, above the door, Boston - Maine Airways. The owners operated railroads, including the Boston & Maine (but never flew to either!). Overlapping the BAEs, they had a few clapped-out 727s in PanAm paint, operating out of Pease Int'l in Portsmouth NH. The theory was 'feed' but the reality was the turbos operated in parallel on shorter routes.

The FAA finally shut them down for all sorts of good reasons.

No airline has been able to make a go of it at TTN. Too much corporate based there, skims the cream off the pax possibilities. Plus EWR and PHL each an hour away. :bang:
 
The FO I was flying with yesterday flew for Boston Maine for a bit. He said it was pretty much a disaster. I actually rode on one of the 727s they were flying then out of Pease. All I can remember is that the cockpit had so many orange stickers pasted up in it that I thought they had wallpapered the interior.

On a side note, this is the reason why US Air, after the merger with Piedmont and then later PSA assigned the those names to their WOs. Because the name is still in use, it can't be purchased and used by some fly by night sketchy operation.
 
When I was at a certain flight school down in Sanford Florida, they ran a 727 operation for a few years(I believe they used the call sign "Clipper") Forward a few years and we flew BOS-TTN and ATL-TTN at Comair. Use to see those Jetstreams in TTN a lot. Talked to a FO for them and said he was there for the quick upgrade for some TPIC.
 
Mr. Duck said: "...Because the name is still in use, it can't be purchased and used by some fly by night sketchy operation"

That's part of the story, but not all. If the name is officially registered as a Trademark and/or Servicemark with the US Patent Office, it belongs to the folks who registered it for as long as the registration period lasts. You have to renew between the 5th and 6th years after it was issued. It's their property. Whoever owns the PanAm trademark has made a few bucks over the years by licensing others to use it - flight schools, questionable airlines, etc. They knew to renew it - also kept it active! The folks who did last year's TV series had to license the name, and the use of the logos, etc. It's Follow the Money, up-stream. To keep the field broad, you register it for any type of thing you might ever want to do: fly pax, fly freight, sell tickets, fly pets, operate aircraft, whatever - you get the picture.

If you don't use it for a five year period, it can be considered to be abandoned, and others could apply for it, but the original owner could contest it. Things get sticky, and lawyers make boat payments.

It gets stickier yet if the name consists of words used in common parlance, or for a totally different purpose.: You might protect Airplane Airlines from a commuter ripping it off, but you'd have a harder time stopping Airline Pizza. But some have tried, with occasional success. KLM (the airline) sued KLM, the Mississippi trucking company, since the Dutch guys carried freight. Be tough to confuse them, I'd think - 747 vs 18-wheeler? The trucking company is now KLLM, and for years, their trucks' logos just had the second L pasted inside the first L. Probably Dutch for 'up yours.'

Disclaimer: I'm not an attorney, but did a lot of intellectual property protection in a former life.
 
jtrain609 said:
If I've got my history correct, these J-Balls were used for feed for Pan Am II, not the original.

"Pan Am" has been through a few iterations.
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I'm sure. Boston-Maine was a joke for all the reasons Larry mentioned.
 
I am a retired Pan Am employee. I not only remember the 747's but I was on duty the night the first flight left JFK. It was an all VIP demo flight. I was also there when the first scheduled flight left. We had engine problems with the early Pratt & Whitney JT9's. The outer liners would go oval when the plane turned into the wind and the engines flamed out. I was very busy expediting those liners through the overhaul facility for months afterward. I traveled many miles on the 747-100's and was on the plane that went down in Lockerbie years before the bombing. I went very many miles on the 707's including all but one leg on flight 001 (Round the world) in 1971. The 727's (100's) of the original Pan Am were rotated between the Caribbean and the Internal German Service to average their cycles. I flew on some of them as well. I also was on the PAA airbus and L1011-500. I've flown on a number of other older birds but the most memorable was a Reeve Aleutian Airways Lockheed Electra from Fairbanks to Anchorage.
 
Close to the same name...

The name of the actual "Imperial" airline was Pan American World Airways. :)
 
Derg said:
It's not "back" more like someone bought the name, again! :)

I know you know that but I had to say it before any of the PAA fanboys showed up!
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PanAm. From Clipper 747s gracing the world with their appearances.......to Piper Archer's training Chinese students at KDVT.

What an evolution. :)
 
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