Over 8 hours of flight instruction...
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jhugz
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ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
They key is that the 8 hour rule doesn't specify when the start and end of the days can be. As long as you can make it work so that each 24 hour period is 8 hours or less you are safe. So if you had Monday and Wednesday off but instructed for 16 hours on Tuesday, 8 hours prior to noon and 8 hours after noon for ease, you can be safe.
You just shove some of those hours into the 24 hours from Monday into Tuesday and some into the Tuesday into Wednesday. So you would say from noon Monday till Noon Tuesday you did 8 hours. From noon Tuesday till noon Wednesday you did the other 8 hours. Make sense?
Drawing breaks lines in your logbook is one way to manage this, have fun wish I was flying as much as you.
You just shove some of those hours into the 24 hours from Monday into Tuesday and some into the Tuesday into Wednesday. So you would say from noon Monday till Noon Tuesday you did 8 hours. From noon Tuesday till noon Wednesday you did the other 8 hours. Make sense?
Drawing breaks lines in your logbook is one way to manage this, have fun wish I was flying as much as you.
av8or91
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Ok thanks, I did not know you could break up your 8 hour period like that.
ppragman
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That's bad juju, you cannot, and should not do that. The reg, which is 61.195a
"In any 24-consecutive-hour period, a flight instructor may not conduct more than 8 hrs of flight training."
So the word is "any" so you can't chose when one day starts and another ends.
ppragman
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Nope.
jhugz
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I'm pretty sure this is not how the system works, otherwise the airlines would have you working 300 hours a month.
Clocks
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As others have pointed out, you can't break up your time like that. He is telling you how to falsify your logbook to decrease your chances of getting caught, not telling you what is legal.
Blip16
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plan accordingly and if you think you will go over, cancel the flight or tell the student upfront that the lesson might be incomplete due to the regulations. if they understand they will either cancel it or be willing to incomplete if you will go longer.
anthenry
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BAD NEWS! Do not do this. It is a rolling 24 hour period. I don't want to beat a dead horse, just want to make sure that there is no one out there that thinks this is ok.
jrh
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Try not to get in to the spot of teaching too much to begin with.
If you do it accidentally, but want to log the time, go ahead and log it like you would for any other flights. You broke a reg, but what's done is done. It's not like you can take it back, so you might as well keep a record of your flight experience.
If you're really paranoid about a fed reviewing your logbook, seeing the overage, and getting you in trouble for it, just don't log it. There's no rule saying you have to log all the time you fly.
I can't recall when exactly, but I think somewhere along the past five years and couple thousand hours of teaching, I accidentally taught something like 8.7 hours in a 24 hour period. It's buried in my logbook somewhere.
If anyone bothers to find it, I'll shrug and say, "Sorry." Of course I would never advocate intentionally flying over the 8 hours or carelessly going over the 8 hours on a regular basis...but mistakes happen. There are bigger problems in life to worry about. I'd hope any FAA inspector you run in to down the road would understand this.
If you do it accidentally, but want to log the time, go ahead and log it like you would for any other flights. You broke a reg, but what's done is done. It's not like you can take it back, so you might as well keep a record of your flight experience.
If you're really paranoid about a fed reviewing your logbook, seeing the overage, and getting you in trouble for it, just don't log it. There's no rule saying you have to log all the time you fly.
I can't recall when exactly, but I think somewhere along the past five years and couple thousand hours of teaching, I accidentally taught something like 8.7 hours in a 24 hour period. It's buried in my logbook somewhere.
If anyone bothers to find it, I'll shrug and say, "Sorry." Of course I would never advocate intentionally flying over the 8 hours or carelessly going over the 8 hours on a regular basis...but mistakes happen. There are bigger problems in life to worry about. I'd hope any FAA inspector you run in to down the road would understand this.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
That's just bananas. Stop it.
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Basically if you are beat, tired and hungry take five minutes to add up your hours for the day (if you can remember all of them). It takes a very long day of 1.2 flights to add up to 8 hours of flying.
Clocks
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Its not that hard. The time I nearly did it I had flown 5 hours cc returning at 2am. That gives you just 3 hours to fly the entire next working day.
jrh
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I don't think I've ever come close with regular lesson blocks.
The times to watch out for are multiple long cross countries in a day, and/or teaching late at night, followed by a full day beginning early the next morning.
RumpleTumbler
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Where do you work? Are they hiring?
I don't have an exact req/quote in front of me, but I don't believe that to be true.Are you actually telling someone to break regulations and 'cook the books' if you will? WoW :dunno: Just WoW!!!
Well here is the reg:
I would read that to be a rolling 24 hours....But whatever floats your boat I guess.
nosehair
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OK, here's how it goes: I'm the Fed:
Me: Let's see, from any 24-hour period...ok, let's look at the period from 6 am to 6 pm..ah, I see you flew 10 hours...you're busted.
You: Ah, but I am counting 5 of those hours from 6 to noon and 5 from noon to 6. (sly grin)
Me: You have the opportunity to surrender your certificate at this time, or wait for the Letter of Investigation and get legal counsel.(one-upman leer)
Actually, the best legal way to handle this is simply stop instructing for a certificate or rating at the 8 hour mark. This first happened to me on a flight with a student heading back to the airport, when I realized we are going to go over the 8 hour mark, so I told the student I would not say any more to him and he would have to find his own way back, enter the pattern and land. Of course, I acted as safety pilot, but I did not log the time past my 8 hours in his log book as instruction. For a student pilot, this would be lost loggable time, but is the legal alternative.