Osprey Crash

[Pilot Fighter]

Assuming it has a good safety record, no reason why not?

Big difference: the whole nacelle doesn’t pivot on the 280. Curious about that from the engineering side.

I was thinking readiness more than safety. That said, we don’t have a meaningful safety record until it’s been operational for awhile.

I would think the pivoting nacelle would be a easier from an engineering standpoint.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

I certainly hope it doesn’t!

It seems that we’d be better off with orders for a thousand Blackhawks and a couple dozen C-2’s.

 

[Lawman]

I was thinking readiness more than safety. That said, we don’t have a meaningful safety record until it’s been operational for awhile.

I would think the pivoting nacelle would be a easier from an engineering standpoint.

Simple drive system that can absorb the same torque force as it changes angle vs the weight and forces involved with a multi ton nacelle.

The Army already has experience with drive systems making sudden changes in direction (nose gear box on the Apache). This requirement here is that it goes from its most direct mode in its cruise setting to what would be its most force restricting due to the directional change when it switches to helicopter mode and has to do all points in between fluidly.

Everything forward of the transition point on the V-280 is effectively isolated in its connection, it’s mostly just prop and gear box. All those wires and cables and stuff that need to be involved with a power plant are in the hard mounted portion of the system. The Osprey didn’t have that advantage. So you’ve got everything from fire suppression to electrical and hydraulic to high/low pressure air, etc and it all has to be able to suddenly shift where it is relative to the wing it lives on. V-280 will be a massive advantage over the current system because outside that gear box and prop, it’s basically a Blackhawk.


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[form810]

It seems that we’d be better off with orders for a thousand Blackhawks and a couple dozen C-2’s.

No idea about the details of this...
But, generally, from a physics and mechanicals perspective, this is a MUCH better concept.
Anything that creates a flying machine in which the engines and props don't have to move independent of and relative to the surfaces to which they are attached is a MUCH better concept. And it's not like this is a new concept. How again did we not pursue this route while the Generals and Majors were huckstering the Osprey around DC?

Sikorsky tilt-wing demonstrator will lay groundwork for future products

The centerpiece of Sikorsky’s development efforts is HEX, an uncrewed hybrid-electric technology demonstrator.

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[dustoff17]

It seems that we’d be better off with orders for a thousand Blackhawks and a couple dozen C-2’s.

Agreed!
You just can’t beat the performance, reliability, and flexibility of the Blackhawk. And the C-2 is seemingly unstoppable.

 

[MikeD]

Agreed!
You just can’t beat the performance, reliability, and flexibility of the Blackhawk. And the C-2 is seemingly unstoppable.

UH-1Y Huey/Venom

 

[dustoff17]

UH-1Y Huey/Venom

Ok, I’ll concede this one!
When we transitioned to Blackhawks, we kept one Huey (most units did). We kept the Hueys so it could make parts runs.

 

[MikeD]

Ok, I’ll concede this one!
When we transitioned to Blackhawks, we kept one Huey (most units did). We kept the Hueys so it could make parts runs.

The old adage…..when the last Blackhawk goes to the boneyard, the crew will be flown home in a Huey.

 

[H46Bubba]

Agreed!
You just can’t beat the performance, reliability, and flexibility of the Blackhawk. And the C-2 is seemingly unstoppable.

The only reason they're retiring the C-2 is that it can't carry the F-135 internally. The USMC had a hand in making that decision to go to the V-22. It adds more spares into the supply system to support both services programs. The C-2 is still a viable aircraft. VRC-40 deployed detachments to deployed west coast carriers to fill in for the grounded V-22s.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

The only reason they're retiring the C-2 is that it can't carry the F-135 internally.

Not really. Keeping a few engines aboard was the original and best solution.