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Normally I'm all about "there but for the grace of the gods," but in this case we're on the same page.
I really don't understand. And people talking about technological mitigation are confusing me even more.
Orlando tower aborts Southwest takeoff roll on taxiway.
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I really don't understand. And people talking about technological mitigation are confusing me even more.
Autothrust Blue
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It's not that confusing.
Your airplane (and every other transport in the modern era) has a takeoff warning system that monitors flap and slat, spoiler, parking brake and stab trim position (and it's actually a relatively good one, NO TAKEOFF, FLAPS! will fire if you have the lever in the wrong takeoff position, not merely outside of a takeoff position).
That system, like every other warning system in the airplane, is there because the technology existed and works as a last line of defense against completely catastrophic human error. It was determined to be a reasonably cheap and effective mitigation especially considered with the astronomical risk of both someones, not merely just "someone" phoning in the checklist and going "flaps um yeah bro two, two" while texting during taxi-out.
I don't think it's completely crazy to think about technical defenses for wrong-surface takeoffs as 1) they can have rather catastrophic consequences and 2) we do have more technology to fix them. I think the Airbus TOS functions are wonderful, and I'm actually sort of upset that I didn't think about the concept of wrong-surface detection and protection myself. A GPS/FMC generated NAV ON TAXIWAY and a continuous repeated chime is a rather clear and unambiguous message to stop, you are doing something wrong.
I think trying to takeoff on a taxiway is extremely dumb; I think it's about as dumb, in fact, as taking off misconfigured is. But if there's a way to prevent it from even starting to happen, I think it's worthy of investigation and contemplation.
By the way, the Martin 202 and 404-series airliners were the first prop-driven airplanes in the US fitted with an automatic feathering system. ALPA was all "whoa, hold up" until some Glenn L. Martin reps took the safety people flying and demonstrated a few V1 cuts with and without autofeather. They all landed changed men.
ERfly
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He did suggest that the original flight plan over Denver was still the best bet, due to that occluded front stalled over the Dakotas.You know, that flight that Ted Striker safely landed is always remembered for its flight crew of Capt Clarence Oveur and FO Roger Murdoch. But always forgotten, is FE/SO Victor Basta, the third member of the flight crew that is never mentioned in the tributes to this tragic night.
I hope that the current RAAS systems are better designed than the one I experienced. We eventually had it disabled, as the volume (through the headsets) was LOUD (not adjustable), and was often happening at the same time that ATC was trying to give us takeoff related instructions. Not ideal.
Pilot Fighter
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Kill the audio, replace with magenta from gate to gate.
ASpilot2be
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Our volume isn't bad, but it's strange when it goes off on approach. To a single runway airport.
Roger Roger
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Our experience with the RAAS on the Lear was the same.
ERfly
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Ours is over the speaker only and the volume isn't bad.
Doesn't seem to drown out ATC at all. The pack noise of the 767 does a pretty good job of that in and of itself.
Won't have to worry about that for long. Welcome back to the quiet cathedral of a cockpit in the maddog and no •ter next to you.
ERfly
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Oh my God! I can't wait...for so many reasons!
I've missed her so! I've missed the technology! The awesome crews! Doing something other than domestic night hub turns!
My kingdom for a cockpit door!
///AMG
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100% of the mistakes I've made in aviation I wouldn't believe I'd be the one to do it. I might just be a • pilot\
I agree. I'm normally not a big glass house/throw stones kinda guy because i have done a lot of dumb things in airplanes myself, but this one makes me scratch my head. Can't imagine a scenario where this happens to me. Now that I've said that, I will obviously do it
///AMG
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I think it is pretty healthy to wonder if you are a **** pilot. Those who never wonder that, probably should stay home
With pay?
Skåning
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Kind of like Skiles. Totally second fiddle to the big starYou know, that flight that Ted Striker safely landed is always remembered for its flight crew of Capt Clarence Oveur and FO Roger Murdoch. But always forgotten, is FE/SO Victor Basta, the third member of the flight crew that is never mentioned in the tributes to this tragic night.
///AMG
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With pay?
Touche sir, yes. Oh wait, damn it, no they shouldnt because they are sociopath pilots
Cherokee_Cruiser
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Read an article Fedex is ordering more 777F and delaying Maddog11 retirements to 2032? Good news for you, no change to your base/seat/equip?
Every MD11 and 777 touches china at least once a week. Not a great time to be on the front lines of a trade war with an unhinged executive branch.
///AMG
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I dunno why any reference to the 11 makes me think of my buddy. Fresh off OE, starts walking to a two engined plane from the cargo terminal. CA is like "dude, that plane doesnt even have the same amount of engines in your type rating". He gets into the right airplane, and doesnt care at all. Theyre all the same