Oh SFO tower

zmiller4 said:
I’m sorry you’ll never make it to your dream airline, but you don’t need to spam the forums with non-event atc tapes.
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Honest question, do you just get off on personal attacks on JC members? The conversation was actually fairly civil and on-subject. Until you (as usual) spouted your typical personal attack deflection.

My experience, those who attack others on a personal level about their careers are actually on the inside miserable about how their own career turned out - and project it outwards.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
@form810 yes, on the 737 it's fairly simple.

Route page. 28L execute. N1. Takeoff page. Accept.

Done.

(Assuming you don't have to change the VNAV E/O Accel height, if you do, next page and enter the value).

Now it's just verifying time.

Heading, Alt, V2 on MCP,
Baro accel on PFD,
Flaps, stab trim, first fix in FMS.
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Remember, that's Alaska, not the airline in question.
 
ASpilot2be said:
You mean different airlines have different procedures? Wwwwwhhhhhaaatttt!?!?
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Speaking of which, any UAL 737 guys here?


Jumpseated (sat?) on a UA 737 out of LAX. What is up with that trim air switch? Dang you guys touch that thing like it owes you money. Seemed like before/after APU/engine generator transfer. Say whaaaaat?
 
I didn’t read a lot of the thread, but I’m honestly tired of the FAA/ATC trying to come out with idiotic procedures…like this one…that reduces safety to try and save their crumbling aerospace system because for decades they’ve failed to plan staffing appropriately and update their outdated control system into this century.
 
Fixtur said:
Re: USAIR 1493:

I remember sitting in the backseat of the family car (silver Volvo 240T) in the drive thru at In-N-Out off Wilbur Rd. in Newbury Park listening to NPR when the breaking news came through that there was a crash at LAX. I was ten years old.
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I'm confused... the In-N-Out is off Ventu Park. (I live in N.P., off of Wendy Drive... and used to live over by Wilber by the pool school off of Galsworthy.) Did their used to be ANOTHER In-N-Out in town by the Janss Mall?
 
ClearedForOption said:
I'm confused... the In-N-Out is off Ventu Park. (I live in N.P., off of Wendy Drive... and used to live over by Wilber by the pool school off of Galsworthy.) Did their used to be ANOTHER In-N-Out in town by the Janss Mall?
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No, I was misremembering. I meant the one off Ventu Park next to the Stagecoach Liquors.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Honest question, do you just get off on personal attacks on JC members? The conversation was actually fairly civil and on-subject. Until you (as usual) spouted your typical personal attack deflection.

My experience, those who attack others on a personal level about their careers are actually on the inside miserable about how their own career turned out - and project it outwards.
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Nah, it’s just that you use threads like these to further your own weird vendettas against certain pilot groups. I know you think it’s cute, funny, whatever, but at least when I was flying out of ORD, you’d hear something like this situation multiple times a week.

The controller contributed to this too—she told them the had traffic landing in 5mins, to which they acknowledged “we’re good with 5mins”, and then she got snarky with “well more than 2mins then” when they weren’t ready.

Everybody kind of screwed up here, but not catastrophically. You’re just trying to make this into a big deal because it’s Delta.
 
jhugz said:
I didn’t read a lot of the thread, but I’m honestly tired of the FAA/ATC trying to come out with idiotic procedures…like this one…that reduces safety to try and save their crumbling aerospace system because for decades they’ve failed to plan staffing appropriately and update their outdated control system into this century.
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What procedure are you talking about?
 
Two ways to read incident reports or (watch videos :grumble: )
Wow I learned from that and will grow as a professional.
Wow what a bunch of morons, I would never be that dumb.
Is it about learning or trying to bury your own inadequacies?
Good luck to those that think they are better.
 
Thanks for sharing… totally unprofessional behavior by ATC here in her tirade against crew, it’s like she was waiting in the bushes ready to pounce on it. Delta shouldn’t have shot back with the 30 seconds thing. I really don’t care what the ATIS says, we all know this isn’t a 172 and can’t just launch without reprogramming and verifying what we just reloaded. An ASAP by the crew would’ve been a better way to handle it after the fact rather than to tussle with a woman who is looking for a fight.
 
Yeah, both parties didn’t handle this correctly at all in my opinion…. Don’t take a active runway if you aren’t ready yet…. Especially if you need need to run your runway change procedures…

I don’t know. I am not a fan of briefing trying to plan for multiple runways at at the gate. I prefer to try to plan and brief the runway that I believe will likely get for the departure. Then if I we get a runway change, inform ATC we need to hold short, heads down, get the numbers, reprogram the FMC, brief the new engine out, set my bugs, run the runway checklist… then go from there.

I am not going to rush and ATIS be damn not I am not briefing multiple runways…
 
This thread started okay then made me do this:
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Respectfully if we watched the same video, the controller gave them an ample chance to hold short to prepare themselves. They accepted a LUAW. She wanted them off the runway and the "next time give us more than 30 seconds" comment then set the rest of the situation off.
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Even after the fact it’s like she was looking for an argument when the whole thing was settled. She was overly dramatic and wanted that to explode in the nature it did.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
The sass from a Bay Area Controller (San Carlos).


"I expect more from a Twin Cessna pilot, I'm sorry!"

Ouch



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPaMjSUSn1Y
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Wow, this is definitely worth a listen.

At first I thought the pilot was really unprepared if he didn’t look at any of the VFR departure info.

So I looked it up. There isn’t anything published at all, at least that’s official from the FAA (no TEC for SQL either). I had to google one of the “transitions” referenced by the controller, which finally brought up an obscure VOLUNTARY noise abatement procedure document from an unofficial source.

That controller is an absolute jackass and should get reprimanded for the way he talked to this guy. It’s completely unreasonable to expect a transient pilot to be familiar and prepared for what the controller was referencing. Anyone remember that jerkoff that used to work out of MRY? Sounds just like him, I wonder if he works at SQL now?

I wish I flew GA in the Bay Area, I’d purposely fly out of SQL and tell that guy to get bent.
 
jhugz said:
I didn’t read a lot of the thread, but I’m honestly tired of the FAA/ATC trying to come out with idiotic procedures…like this one…that reduces safety to try and save their crumbling aerospace system because for decades they’ve failed to plan staffing appropriately and update their outdated control system into this century.
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Going ballistic someone didn’t read last line of the ATIS is hilarious. It reminds me of when airport publishes 10 pages of NOTAMS, 6 of them are for cranes, then they get mad that you didn’t see ILS is OTS. If controller needs a literal timeframe of how long numbers will take to load and get airplane ready, maybe don’t expect them to be ready right on the second. But hey some of these controllers are always right and we, the pilots, are always the issue. Whatever. Water off a ducks back, could care less if a controller is going rage mode on the mic.
 
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