Would it be state dependent? I'm sure theres a few states *cough, Texas*, that would probably put up a huge stink for no reason about now allowing it on IDs.
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Yes, but while that sucks for their residents, it doesn't affect airport screening or booking reservations.
It's also why I don't live in, say, Texas. Well, one of many reasons.
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Let me talk about a few other things, since we're on the issue.
I have a lot of nonbinary friends. One of my mates is nonbinary.
Your experiences, if you're not transgender or nonbinary, do not prepare you to understand it*. And that's ok! That's where empathy comes into play. If you're unwilling to trust others, unwilling to accept that there are perspectives that are not your own that are still valid, you will close yourself off from understanding the majority of the world around you. People will exist only as symbols in your head, and if they think or act in ways that you don't expect them to, you'll simply label them as crazy or otherwise defective and move on.
But your world will stay small. It might even grow smaller. And you'll miss out on amazing friendships, beautiful people, and relationships that could change your life for the better.
A little empathy and trust goes a long way.
* You can substitute 'gay,' 'straight,' 'black,' 'christian,' 'chinese,' 'muslim,' 'southern,' 'european,' or pretty much anything else for which you have no basis of experience.
I have a lot of nonbinary friends. One of my mates is nonbinary.
Your experiences, if you're not transgender or nonbinary, do not prepare you to understand it*. And that's ok! That's where empathy comes into play. If you're unwilling to trust others, unwilling to accept that there are perspectives that are not your own that are still valid, you will close yourself off from understanding the majority of the world around you. People will exist only as symbols in your head, and if they think or act in ways that you don't expect them to, you'll simply label them as crazy or otherwise defective and move on.
But your world will stay small. It might even grow smaller. And you'll miss out on amazing friendships, beautiful people, and relationships that could change your life for the better.
A little empathy and trust goes a long way.
* You can substitute 'gay,' 'straight,' 'black,' 'christian,' 'chinese,' 'muslim,' 'southern,' 'european,' or pretty much anything else for which you have no basis of experience.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I liked this, then unliked it, so that I could like it twice.
Also, to piggyback on this, there are non-binary people on this forum. There are non-binary people in everyone's life.
Whether they trust you enough to be honest is the question.
Soul Brotha'
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I really liked this part. A lot of people need to understand this.
that’s confusing given the screen grab above that i pulled from Alaskas website earlier today when looking at booking. perhaps there is a different place for the information past that point. why people get bent out of shape how someone identifies is beyond me. quite silly if you ask.
you’re making assumptions but i’m not surprised and i think you’re reading that entirely wrong or i’m not communicating in the best manner. if someone identifies as <insert option> its silly to me that any other person cares about how another person identifies. im not concerned with how a person identifies one bit. i make my judgements on a person based on how they interact with other individuals.
For what it's worth I took it to mean you don't get why people think it's ridiculous to get upset over people who want an option besides male or female.
Do I completely get "get it" or understand people who identify as non-binary? Maybe not, but I don't really have to. Like you said, I care about whether someone is a good person or not. Seeing that stuff get poked fun at and derided here by people who know there are people that are a part of this community that deal with that makes me think that nobody would "choose" to put up with that kind of stuff if it wasn't a deeply personal thing for them to publicly talk about. Things change. Maybe we don't completely understand every change that takes place, but I think it's important to have an open mind. I just know there's genuinely good people I know who identify differently, and it bugs me when people sling stuff around that I know hurts them.
Edit: I really can't words good right now, but I think I got the intent of where your heart's at, which is live and let live, and be excellent to each other.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
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Is there a point? If I can do X (non binary?) or a U (undisclosed), what difference is that gonna make to the TSA agent? If we are just matching letters, then it’s a waste of time. Why even bother? Just go with the name.
First world country problems.
Cherokee_Cruiser
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Cherokee_Cruiser
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Look, I get gay people. I get lesbians. I get trans. All of those make sense from an outsider perspective, someone who is heterosexual. Because I can understand, as a male at birth and always a male, who never had to be taught to find females attractive and just did naturally, I can understand that some people just weren’t wired that same way. So G, L, and T, I can understand.
I don’t understand non-binary.
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I don't either, and I don't say that judgmentally, I just truly don't understand what it means in a practical sense. Perhaps someone on here can expand on this.
Also, I remember the days of anti-gay people (I realize being homosexual is a different can of worms in many cases) saying that being gay is a choice. I don't remember a good response when questioned why someone would choose to be persecuted if they had an option not to be. "They just want attention" was not a convincing counter argument. I imagine the same truth holds for those who are non-binary or any other persuasion.
Jimmy_Norton
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If the choice you want doesn't exist, just pick a different one. Does it really matter that much?
I'm all for you being who you want to be, and I'd imagine things are pretty tough as it is, why make it tougher on yourself?
I'm all for you being who you want to be, and I'd imagine things are pretty tough as it is, why make it tougher on yourself?
Maximilian_Jenius
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Please kindly refer back to post #23. Please and thank you.
Jimmy_Norton
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I did. My statement has nothing to do with me, it has to do with buying tickets. But whateves, not gonna bother arguing on the internet, we know how that turns out....
zmiller4
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I guess on the flip side of that argument…why force people to make a declaration of their gender? What purpose does that serve?
The edit is exactly what I was getting at.
ozone
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Having run into a few self-declared non-binary people, here's my thought: "non-binary" is a non-sexual-connotation way of saying what used to be called "bisexual."
From what I can understand (and someone please correct me if I am wrong), the term "bisexual" is loaded because it is often conflated with a sexual act/desire of some sort or another.
"Non-binary", on the other hand, doesn't carry that connotation/conflation and therefore is the preferred term for someone who looks at other humans as humans, and doesn't want to discriminate in who they love/care for/have feelings for just because of their birth gender.
I could be totally wrong, but that is the impression I have so far.