phill1174
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Is 200/mo the plan for 2023 also? Have you seen a difference in the quality of OE students over the past year or two? The second question can be answered of adult beverages if it’s too much
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SurferLucas
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Guys I had in early 2023 classes said that’s what they were told…can’t stop/won’t stop.Is 200/mo the plan for 2023 also? Have you seen a difference in the quality of OE students over the past year or two? The second question can be answered of adult beverages if it’s too much
not speaking for @derg , but I flew with a soon to be LCP who said “you’re the best new hire FO I’ve had in over a year” and that he see’s a lot of the “I made it, now I do the minimum” types
Is 200/mo the plan for 2023 also? Have you seen a difference in the quality of OE students over the past year or two? The second question can be answered of adult beverages if it’s too much
Yes, continued.
The second question is better left for over beers as I have visibility on a number of sides to the topic and (a) I don't want to get quoted and (b) if I divulge how I know certain things on the internet, this number will triple this number in a few days:
phill1174
Well-Known Member
Yikes! Just don’t let it get to 666 and you’ll be fine.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I would love to be a fly on the wall when the “Why Spirit?” question gets asked.
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Eagle421flyer
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I’ve been lucky with fo’s but I live in a more senior base and try to work turns but I’ve heard stories from some of my friends. The only thing keeping me here now is my age/seniority and the fact that my dad has lung cancer and I’m senior enough to work my schedule/drop to help him out. I don’t blame anyone for leaving the company is doing nothing to keep them and not giving them a reason to stay.
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thehobbit
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I don't know why this question is even asked. They clearly can't discern who is lying to them.
ClearedForOption
Psychiatric Help 5¢
Exact opposite happened to me.
A380 dude, came back to the states. Couldn't make a position report so save his life and landed still crabbed into the wind. Needed a lot of coaching. Which was weird because I pegged him initially as experienced. I guessed that the dude must have been sleeping or something during all the critical parts of his long haul flying career or something.
Then, there was the ex-sim and lead line check airman for 'unnamed asian airline' who literally tried to play the right seat CKA game with me all while not understanding the role and duties of the FO. Luckily he left my base and eventually my shop.
I've had to do a lot more 'mentoring' with some of the pilots I've been paired with. And I've had a lot of conversations about the overall experience issue at the majors. I'm trying to take a very JC attitude towards it and work to lift people up vs. going full boomer.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Oh no. It might take 5 months to finish a Private. Or 12 months to go 0 to Commercial. Or yikes, might not make it to United in 2 yrs.
Where’s the world’s smallest violin when you need one, for complaining about the program of the century.
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Where’s the world’s smallest violin when you need one, for complaining about the program of the century.
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tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
See - you typed up that condescending comment because of the knowledge we know in this industry. Is it dramatic and unsurprising to hear this news? Absolutely.
Unfortunately though, these people were led on by the recruiters and fed lies. 5 months to do your PPL is not always the norm and that can be frustrating when you’re told you can get your certificates in a timelines then not receive them even close. More so the fact they are not seeing graduates hired through the program either, makes the culture change there.
I get when you run around angry at the world you would read this article and blast these young adults. But I can see their point because they are first hand gaining knowledge of how this industry is built on lies and deception to get you to sign dotted lines. I would probably get the word out to prospective students as well because these recruiters are out here giving false information on what to really expect on the zero to hero journey. I’m not saying every school is flawless because they aren’t. But I’m happy to see some students speak up and get the awareness out there.
Unfortunately though, these people were led on by the recruiters and fed lies. 5 months to do your PPL is not always the norm and that can be frustrating when you’re told you can get your certificates in a timelines then not receive them even close. More so the fact they are not seeing graduates hired through the program either, makes the culture change there.
I get when you run around angry at the world you would read this article and blast these young adults. But I can see their point because they are first hand gaining knowledge of how this industry is built on lies and deception to get you to sign dotted lines. I would probably get the word out to prospective students as well because these recruiters are out here giving false information on what to really expect on the zero to hero journey. I’m not saying every school is flawless because they aren’t. But I’m happy to see some students speak up and get the awareness out there.
Meh, I read the Reddit post. Came across like the author was overly stressed and taking it out on small stuff at the school. Combine that with probably not knowing much about the industry or flight schools before starting. In the same post the author complains about instructor shortages, and then later complains that they’re hiring external CFI’s…
Even if some complaints are legitimate, it’s a far cry from being lied to by recruiters.
Even if some complaints are legitimate, it’s a far cry from being lied to by recruiters.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
You started this comment out by saying “they probably didn’t know” then later said “recruiters don’t lie”…
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Sorry, disagree. It falls 100% on these kids entering the industry to know and do their research ahead of time. Before entering I had several mentors and knew a lot about the industry even before starting as a student pilot.
Let’s face it, we are starting to run out of the true passion crowd and reaching the rich parent crowd and kids who have nothing better to do that think, oh sweet I can make 400k+? Sign me up.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You’re angry because you got lied to? Is that why my chicken dinner is drying out in the oven? Hey. They lie to everybody. They lie to the fish.
zmiller4
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I…I can’t even.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Actually yes you can. I entered based on passion. I knew what the job entailed. $20/hr flight pay. Major airlines that weren’t even hiring at the time. I never looked at the end pay.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
If only everyone could be as good and smart as you were when you were a student pilot. You should be on billboard
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
You chucking rocks at kids who are able to get into this profession because of rich parents is absolutely perfect. No words.
Sit this one out my dude.
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