Oh Alaska/Boeing

Roger Roger said:
I usually apply that saying after a good landing or a good frisbee throw
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Haha, I had maybe the best landing of my life, randomly, at SAN a little while back. We had a cabin JS'er from American who I BS'd with a bit at the gate in SEA waiting to walk down, chatting about people we knew (he was an older than me F/A-18 dude in a past life). When we got off the plane, he was like "dude YOU made that landing?" (after the CA pointed to me when he asked). Think I probably said "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while". It was true luck.
 
///AMG said:
Haha, I had maybe the best landing of my life, randomly, at SAN a little while back. We had a cabin JS'er from American who I BS'd with a bit at the gate in SEA waiting to walk down, chatting about people we knew (he was an older than me F/A-18 dude in a past life). When we got off the plane, he was like "dude YOU made that landing?" (after the CA pointed to me when he asked). Think I probably said "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while". It was true luck.
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The Lear was easy to have a good landing but not super easy to have a greaser, but one of my last stints of day shift I got 2 absolute butter in a row. One in Terrace, BC of all places
 
I would be lying if I said this max situation hasn’t made me nervous about job security at all. That coupled with the hiring slow down and now alternate ways to cut labor costs (incentive lines and LOA’s). Still being the plug in LAX, it’s increased my awareness and financial anxiety a bit. Problem with living in SoCal is if you lose your income, thanks to these atrocious rents you can’t just get side jobs or Uber to cover rent and other financial obligations in the interim. Seeing that there may be some light at the end of the tunnel is very welcomed from me. I absolutely want this done with safety as the top priority with that being said. It’s just the whole self preservation part of me gets a little nervous when thinking about how long it might take.
 
JDean3204 said:
I would be lying if I said this max situation hasn’t made me nervous about job security at all. That coupled with the hiring slow down and now alternate ways to cut labor costs (incentive lines and LOA’s). Still being the plug in LAX, it’s increased my awareness and financial anxiety a bit. Problem with living in SoCal is if you lose your income, thanks to these atrocious rents you can’t just get side jobs or Uber to cover rent and other financial obligations in the interim. Seeing that there may be some light at the end of the tunnel is very welcomed from me. I absolutely want this done with safety as the top priority with that being said. It’s just the whole self preservation part of me gets a little nervous when thinking about how long it might take.
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You’re fine. Relax.
 
JDean3204 said:
I would be lying if I said this max situation hasn’t made me nervous about job security at all. That coupled with the hiring slow down and now alternate ways to cut labor costs (incentive lines and LOA’s). Still being the plug in LAX, it’s increased my awareness and financial anxiety a bit. Problem with living in SoCal is if you lose your income, thanks to these atrocious rents you can’t just get side jobs or Uber to cover rent and other financial obligations in the interim. Seeing that there may be some light at the end of the tunnel is very welcomed from me. I absolutely want this done with safety as the top priority with that being said. It’s just the whole self preservation part of me gets a little nervous when thinking about how long it might take.
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Not saying you fall into this demographic, but ALPA National as well as the local reps are very concerned about the first real downturn at the airlines since COVID, and the fact that thousands of young and new airline pilots who have been on a meteoric rise since COVID, are going to react and deal with it.

Honestly, look at the year-end results AS posted. We are doing just fine. We are doing better than fine. These ILs and LOAs are literally to try and keep us in the black and to be honest, they aren't even remotely drastic on the scale of things the company can do to keep us in the black. With the MAX issue (at least this one) seemingly ending and will very soon be in the rearview, we can focus on the path ahead. Economic slowing doesn't mean panic.

MAX9 flying is resuming tomorrow and this current issue will be behind us by next week.
 
Inverted said:
Not saying you fall into this demographic, but ALPA National as well as the local reps are very concerned about the first real downturn at the airlines since COVID, and the fact that thousands of young and new airline pilots who have been on a meteoric rise since COVID, are going to react and deal with it.

Honestly, look at the year-end results AS posted. We are doing just fine. We are doing better than fine. These ILs and LOAs are literally to try and keep us in the black and to be honest, they aren't even remotely drastic on the scale of things the company can do to keep us in the black. With the MAX issue (at least this one) seemingly ending and will very soon be in the rearview, we can focus on the path ahead. Economic slowing doesn't mean panic.

MAX9 flying is resuming tomorrow and this current issue will be behind us by next week.
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I absolutely fall into this demographic, both in timing and choices I’ve made in my 9 year young career. I regional danced until 2019 when I went freight, Covid boomed freight and it was my choice to leave that for the airlines last year. So a big slow down will be my first slow down, it’s not a matter of if but when and I’m a realist about that. I’ve flown with a few ex VX pilots who were furloughed before VX. I really take their stories to heart and listen to them talk about the horrible times in their career, knowing the chances are I may one day be there myself. If I don’t think that way, it will be a long 30 year rest of my career

Thanks for the words, I feel this situation may be short lived as well but it was a good litmus test of my internal thought process when things aren’t all roses as they say. By the results of that test so far, I have some work to do and probably should build a better safety net for myself in time.
 
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JDean3204 said:
I absolutely fall into this demographic, both in timing and choices I’ve made in my 9 year young career. I regional danced until 2019 when I went freight, Covid boomed freight and it was my choice to leave that for the airlines last year. So a big slow down will be my first slow down, it’s not a matter of if but when and I’m a realist about that. I’ve flown with a few ex VX pilots who were furloughed before VX. I really take their stories to heart and listen to them talk about the horrible times in their career, knowing the chances are I may one day be there myself. If I don’t think that way, it will be a long 30 year rest of my career

Thanks for the words, I feel this situation may be short lived as well but it was a good litmus test of my internal thought process when things aren’t all roses as they say. By the results of that test so far, I have some work to do and probably should build a better safety net for myself in time.
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I haven't been in aviation much longer than you but caught the BS of 2008, as well as COVID and when you look at the history of the industry, this stuff happens. This isn't to pin AS against other airlines because at the end of the day, it is all about how you catch the wave and so much of that is luck. But hearing lots of really young and green airline pilots coming fresh from Skywest to these majors and literally thinking that UAL, AAL and DAL are just going to be hiring thousands of pilots in perpetuity forever is so nieve. AS has always been quick to tighten up to protect themselves. When the next actual hardship comes, watch what the top 3 do after all this unfettered hiring...

It's hard to tell somebody how to feel, but if I could offer anything, it is to live within your means as much as possible, don't over-extend yourself and to try not to ride the day-to-day rollercoaster of emotions. In a year this will all be behind us and it will be on to the next high and low.
 
Boy I bet that Elong Musk feels like a real peepants for calling it The Boring Company now!
 
alaskadrifter said:
Whelp, there goes 2024’s profit sharing.
www.cnbc.com

Alaska Airlines says Boeing 737 Max 9 grounding will cost it $150 million

Alaska said the first Max 9 flights would resume as early as Friday and that it would gradually return the aircraft to service through early February.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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Inverted said:
I really think AS will hold Boeing accountable.
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Tada

www.seattletimes.com

Alaska holds Boeing accountable, wants to be made whole for $150M in losses

The end of the immediate crisis for Alaska Airlines is in sight. Alaska says all 65 of its MAX 9s should be flying again soon.
www.seattletimes.com www.seattletimes.com
 
So the 4 bolts were never installed back on, looks like the anonymous whistle blower was right.


www.foxbusiness.com

Alaska Airlines plane may have left Boeing factory without bolts to secure door plug: report

Boeing employees may have failed to put the bolts back on a door plug during production of the 737 MAX 9 jet at its factory, according to a report.
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