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This sounds like a bunch of media spokesman not understanding the difference between the blow out panels and the entire door open.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
This sounds like a bunch of media spokesman not understanding the difference between the blow out panels and the entire door open.
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The panels blow inward. Reports are that the entire door blew open, blocked the lav and the FAs attempted to close it.
 
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This would appear to be self imposed on ourselves. Industry only wants to be trained on things that we as pilots can actively control.

Odds of an explosive decompression happening, low. Odds that this door would be something the crew needs to focus on during said event, very low.

Training types would figure that this is extra knowledge and many pilots may complain that this is unnecessary info and just check airmen trivia stuff.

We as industry professionals need to wish to know nuts and bolts of our equipment or just not be shocked when these surprises happen.
 
Inverted said:
This is what I was trying to say. And with all due respect @Cherokee_Cruiser, why I know you didn't know about it either. The door did NOT function in a manner that the manual references.
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I’m not aware of these specific details. I’m actually surprised it would go at all, the diff pressure at 16,000 ft.

It would have been violent for the ones near the Row involved. But the front end?

Let’s see what the investigation says.
 
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You seem kinda agitated about this.
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Agitated is a bit much. I think people are conflating the blowout panels with the door fully opening. The panels rotate inward towards the crew, so how could FAs even attempt to close them? They were climbing, the panels would likely close on their own because of the deck angle. The lav was blocked which means the door opened fully...

All of this points to the entire door opening which has been my point. Boeing says it's designed to do that but isn't in the manual.
 
spbrian said:
This would appear to be self imposed on ourselves. Industry only wants to be trained on things that we as pilots can actively control.

Odds of an explosive decompression happening, low. Odds that this door would be something the crew needs to focus on during said event, very low.

Training types would figure that this is extra knowledge and many pilots may complain that this is unnecessary info and just check airmen trivia stuff.

We as industry professionals need to wish to know nuts and bolts of our equipment or just not be shocked when these surprises happen.
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Yep. If all that about the door turns out to be true, us pushing the pendulum overly far away from the old days of “build the airplane/trace a drop of fuel from the tank to the fuel nozzles” orals is partly to blame for not knowing
 
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At 16,000 feet?
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You and I know that, and many skydivers, but we're getting into the statistics of hijacking, explosive decompression and furthermore, which happened first.

Edit: might also be dancing around SSI while discussing the flight deck door. I know you work there, and some this is now publicly available, but probably best to avoid the topic even though understanding it better would benefit flight crews that operate it.

Let’s get back to the memes.

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Has anyone heard if the FAA has approved inspection criteria yet? It seems to have been plenty of time to say that at least airplanes with no loose/missing hardware are good to go. What they want as far as inspection/repair for aircraft with loose hardware might be tricky. I can see if an airplane flew several hundred cycles with loose bolts, there could be concern about fatigue in some of the other parts that were flexing/stressed in ways they weren’t designed for and might require a bunch of NDT or just automatic replacement of fittings and so on. But also, I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to put their head on the block if something else does happen…
 
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Inverted said:
Agitated is a bit much. I think people are conflating the blowout panels with the door fully opening. The panels rotate inward towards the crew, so how could FAs even attempt to close them? They were climbing, the panels would likely close on their own because of the deck angle. The lav was blocked which means the door opened fully...

All of this points to the entire door opening which has been my point. Boeing says it's designed to do that but isn't in the manual.
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Gonna guess there are a lot of things the airplane is designed to do that aren't in the flight manual.
 
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