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Seggy said:
Wow.
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Please don’t take one pilots view to be, this is how the airline is. The Airbus had something similar. I’m shocked someone is signed off flying a 121 jet as PIC who doesn’t know what portion of the cockpit is the blowout portion.


That’s the real “Wow” here.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Please don’t take one pilots view to be, this is how the airline is. The Airbus had something similar. I’m shocked someone is signed off flying a 121 jet as PIC who doesn’t know what portion of the cockpit is the blowout portion.


That’s the real “Wow” here.
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You are telling me you knew the cockpit door would do this during a depressurization? Funny because the 6 APDs in the 737 training department I just asked had no idea. The door is designed to be accessible to evacuate the crew in the event of an emergency. Please tell me more about how this is by design, and is taught, and is known by the pilot group lol.
 
To be clear, I knew the cockpit door had this feature to access the crew. I did NOT know that it would blow and swing open during a depressurization, and I don't think very many other people did either.
 
Inverted said:
You are telling me you knew the cockpit door would do this during a depressurization? Funny because the 6 APDs in the 737 training department I just asked had no idea. The door is designed to be accessible to evacuate the crew in the event of an emergency. Please tell me more about how this is by design, and is taught, and is known by the pilot group lol.
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Yes.

It’s always been a depressurization panel. In case there was a differential between the flight deck and main cabin.


Pulling the pins and “kicking” the door out as an emergency evacuation is a secondary function. It’s primarily a decompression door panel.


See SH

1.030
Page 16

8-1 Decompression panels
8-2 Decompression latches
8-3 Release pins



Tell those APDs they should hit the SH more. Wait, actually, please don’t. :)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
She’s not Robert Sumwalt, who spent a career and life doing the aviation safety thing, but Jen Homendy is most assuredly NOT an idiot—and she’s also been a big advocate for fixing some of the worst parts of the FAA. And the Board does more than investigate just aviation stuff — she’s been very vocal about some real issues in other modes within their jurisdiction such as quote self driving cars unquote.

So if she tripped over ETOPS definitions a bit during a press conference, meh. I’ll live with it. She’s an advocate for my humanity, and yours too.
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I had the pleasure of sharing lunch with Robert Sumwalt once, what a giant!
 
I think we got people talking different things here and I’m too new to be 100% on what’s SSI and not but what I think I’m hearing is that the cockpit door didn’t work the way I understand it is supposed to work, whether that’s because it didn’t work as designed or because the little bit I remember is incorrect. In any case I’m on days off and I’d rather post speculation than actually dig into the books
 
Roger Roger said:
Not to say anything negative about any particular training program, but if in theory the main focus of a ground school was to get you through your multiple choice written tests, a bit of trivia about something like a cockpit door panel would be easy to miss and or forget.

I’m an average pilot at best but one thing I am actually good at is learning random stuff like that, and my level of knowledge on this was limited to “oh yeah, now that I see that I remember that nugget” but it wasn’t at the front of my mind for sure
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My brain only seems to want to latch onto the useless trivia.
 
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Not a design characteristic of the door according to the manual. There is no reference to it. Nobody knew about it and nobody taught it.
 
I didnt listen to the press conference, but why is the flight deck door being mentioned so much? That seems extremely low on the totem pole in the grand scheme of things in an event like this. Did they get their mask on? Yes. Did they get it back on the ground in a expeditious and safe fashion, also yes. Everything else? meh
 
Kingairer said:
I didnt listen to the press conference, but why is the flight deck door being mentioned so much? That seems extremely low on the totem pole in the grand scheme of things in an event like this. Did they get their mask on? Yes. Did they get it back on the ground in a expeditious and safe fashion, also yes. Everything else? meh
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Well, having the entire cockpit exposed during a time of complete and total crew vulnerability, and best of all, having that be designed and on purpose but not being in the manuals so we can teach it and be familiar with its function, seems like a big problem to me.
 
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