Oh Alaska/Boeing

Uhh so it looks like, unlike actual exit doors and emergency exits, the “plug door” is not held in mechanically by pressure and is free to just blow off. And rather than riveted lap splices on the skins there’s a couple pathetic looking clevises (one of which was visibly sheared off in some of the pics).

Edit: The door does seal from inside by sliding the stop fittings behind the stop pads when it’s closed. See post #224

 
inigo88 said:
Uhh so it looks like, unlike actual exit doors and emergency exits, the “plug door” is not held in mechanically by pressure and is free to just blow off. And rather than riveted lap splices on the skins there’s a couple pathetic looking clevises (one of which was visibly sheared off in some of the pics). WTF over?

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Regardless of finding a confident fix to this plug issue,
Seems like a good time to dedicate that row to oversized travelers now.
 
inigo88 said:
Uhh so it looks like, unlike actual exit doors and emergency exits, the “plug door” is not held in mechanically by pressure and is free to just blow off. And rather than riveted lap splices on the skins there’s a couple pathetic looking clevises (one of which was visibly sheared off in some of the pics). WTF over?

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Sketchy as it may sound, millions of hours on 900ERs show that it must work.
 
pwttogfk said:
Dollars to donuts some MBA found an “efficiency” to make it cheaper to build the same thing on the MAX and got a bonus.
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Before further flight:

Tighten the doohickeys that Spirit Aerosystems workers gundecked the task card for. Or something like that.

I have fremdschämen for Boeing right now, frankly.
 
And nobody pulled the CVR circuitbreaker after block-in. If only there were a checklist for that.

Still though, sometimes you earn your whole year’s paycheck in one flight.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Did something to the parts made by Spirit Aerosystems in accordance with instructions from people on Facebook groups and has been found to be in a condition safe for flight, maybe. Signed Tom Anderson, follow me on Insta, X, TikTok, YouTube and be sure to smash that like button.
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How's that for corrective action and logbook entry ?
 
Flyinthrew said:
And nobody pulled the CVR circuitbreaker after block-in. If only there were a checklist for that.
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Mere compliance, of course, is not enough, but it is surely a necessary part. I’m relatively certain Alaska, being the mature air carrier they are, actually do have such a procedure, but in the immediate aftermath of a cluster, it’s also entirely possible that it simply didn’t get done through a combination of oversight and the million little things that tend to bubble up and compete for pilot attention.

The NTSB now wants 25h of CVR audio as the standard, as the standard is in Europe, and, well, I have thoughts both directions on that.
 
pwttogfk said:
Dollars to donuts some MBA found an “efficiency” to make it cheaper to build the same thing on the MAX and got a bonus.
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Possible. I don’t know why people are surprised that it isn’t riveted though, the whole point is that you can convert it to a real door and that’s hard to do if you have to drill a bunch of sheet metal to make it happen. I am a little surprised that it isn’t a plug type where pressure seals it tighter though, I kinda thought that was a no-no on an airliner.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Mere compliance, of course, is not enough, but it is surely a necessary part. I’m relatively certain Alaska, being the mature air carrier they are, actually do have such a procedure, but in the immediate aftermath of a cluster, it’s also entirely possible that it simply didn’t get done through a combination of oversight and the million little things that tend to bubble up and compete for pilot attention.

The NTSB now wants 25h of CVR audio as the standard, as the standard is in Europe, and, well, I have thoughts both directions on that.
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I’m extremely new to the game but the only way I see myself remembering to do that after having the cockpit door blown open in an honest to god rapid decompression is someone from the ground (FODO? CP? IDK) who isn’t on the adrenaline high of their life walking me through whichever checklist that would be, once the parking brake is set and while waiting for EMS and the inevitable drug test.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Mere compliance, of course, is not enough, but it is surely a necessary part. I’m relatively certain Alaska, being the mature air carrier they are, actually do have such a procedure, but in the immediate aftermath of a cluster, it’s also entirely possible that it simply didn’t get done through a combination of oversight and the million little things that tend to bubble up and compete for pilot attention.

The NTSB now wants 25h of CVR audio as the standard, as the standard is in Europe, and, well, I have thoughts both directions on that.
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They’ve wanted it for years.


I’m no ALPA blow hard. We need to suck it up and have 25 hr CVRs. The caveat being a guarantee, contractually, that mgt won’t use any of it for their snooping purposes. Whatever protections we currently have from mgt for a 2 hr CVR, have them agree to it for 25 hrs.

If I had to bet, mgt across the industry is ready. It’s ALPA being ALPA chest thumpers.

The NTSB mentioned several cases, including literally all recent runway incursions, in which they don’t have a CVR to reference.
 
So something from that video, the statements above about it not being a plug type are incorrect. It IS taller than the hole and has to be moved down and in before it will open. The plot thickens.
 
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