Non-revving in First, and Facebook

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Someone help me out here. I come back from a trip and could swear I logged onto APC or FI.com. Someone hack a server round here?
 
jayd1038 said:
I don't have benefits, but I do have a close friend whose father is a Captain at Southwest who lives in PHX but goes out of Denver, so I know how it goes and can and will speak on it.
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I was laughing out loud from that kid's first post, what in the hell?! LOL! Yeah, back when I was a ramper, we used to huddle in the break room and talk about how it was BS we made $12-13 when the some of the pilots were making $30 or better! I marshal the plane in, they steer the nosewheel on the line. Sounds like grounds for equal compensation to me, who the hell do these pilots think they are, airlines are meant to be a communist state.

@jayd1038 you're getting your CTI, I get that, but do you understand what ATC is really like? Have you toured any facilities? The attitude you're displaying on this forum is one of someone no controller would want to work with. Seriously. Just in my ramp tower, we had a guy with a CTI degree who had never worked airline ops come up to interview where he was shown both sides of what we do(ramp control AND managing all the terminal screens/gates/baggage claims, ect). After a 10 minute or so overview from my boss, the kid is asked what questions he has for myself or my coworker. He very smugly says "No, it's pretty simple, I get it all I went to school for this". I whipped around in my chair so fast and hit him with "Oh really? You get everything? Want my chair?". Needless to say, this guy not only didn't get hired, and laughed out of the tower, but became a running joke up here. How do you think the FAA controllers would respond to something like that? A know-it-all attitude will get you NOWHERE in aviation. Nor will a sense of entitlement. My advice to you is to stop posting, do a lot of reading on these forums, and contribute where you actually can or have questions rather than strongly opinionated posts on subjects you really have no business discussing. I know @ATN_Pilot has his enemies on this forum, but I think we can all agree that joining these forums guns blazing picking a fight with an established member and ALPA rep isn't going to win you anyone's respect. This site is a great tool for networking, but it can just as quickly blow up in your face. Be careful, and hopefully you learn a lot here.
 
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Are you sure you read the same thing I wrote? I said I can speak on non-revving, not being a pilot or a FPL ATCer. Plus, I said nothing about rampers having the same duty or how they should be paid the same. Guess you guys are going to read what you want to read.

I simply stated my opinion on why rampers/gate agents do deserve the same non-revv benefits as pilots and got an old cranky man looking for any reason to chew my ass, and then tell me I should not talk about it. I don't like people who think they are so high and mighty.

To answer your question I have done an ATC facility visit, I do have contacts in ATC, I do know a good deal about ATC and my professors seems to agree I definitely have what it takes so far. If you guys want to jump to assumption and label me not cut out for ATC based on a few posts, well then have at it. I KNOW there is so much more to learn about ATC. Not really sure where that came in anyhow. I jokingly talked about my impression that ATC and Pilots have a lot of times where they don't get along, apparently I am not allowed to joke around.

I don't care if ATN is a regular, or an ALPA memeber, when you talk to me like he did, I am not going to be nice back plain and simple. I feel bad for him that he gets so disgruntled about one random person who doesn't know disagreeing and thinking that

My attitude is fine, and look at any other thread I've posted in and you'd see that. One thing though, I am not getting my CTI anymore because right now it's essentially useless. I switched to aviation management, and am likely going to get my ADX License.
 
jayd1038 said:
To answer your question I have done an ATC facility visit, I do have contacts in ATC, I do know a good deal about ATC and my professors seems to agree I definitely have what it takes so far. If you guys want to jump to assumption and label me not cut out for ATC based on a few posts, well then have at it. I KNOW there is so much more to learn about ATC. Not really sure where that came in anyhow. I jokingly talked about my impression that ATC and Pilots have a lot of times where they don't get along, apparently I am not allowed to joke around.
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Your post a few pages back make me think that the FAA doesn't think you are cut out to be a controller. Maybe you worded it wrong but you made a quick snide remark about the FAA. I'm going to say just by the brief time you have been here they got that one right. In response to you comment about controllers and pilots; I can count on one hand how many times I have heard pilots and controllers or visa versa not getting along. With the adaptation of CRM and the expansion outside the cockpit to all areas of aviation you just don't really hear about this anymore. Best of luck in your aviation career, but like anything else in life listen first then respond. Shooting first and asking questions later doesn't get you very far.
 
amorris311 said:
Your post a few pages back make me think that the FAA doesn't think you are cut out to be a controller. Maybe you worded it wrong but you made a quick snide remark about the FAA. I'm going to say just by the brief time you have been here they got that one right. In response to you comment about controllers and pilots; I can count on one hand how many times I have heard pilots and controllers or visa versa not getting along. With the adaptation of CRM and the expansion outside the cockpit to all areas of aviation you just don't really hear about this anymore. Best of luck in your aviation career, but like anything else in life listen first then respond. Shooting first and asking questions later doesn't get you very far.
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No, it was just that the FAA made CTI essentially worthless since they opened it up so anyone can apply. Then to boot, they give some horse crap biographical questionnaire with no rhyme or reason to it and nobody knows why someone passes and someone doesn't. So essentially people who trained in college for it and at least have a solid leg up on people with no knowledge of it, got screwed over since they don't take into consideration if you were CTI or not.

I'm not going to bother with this anymore, this whole thing has drug out far too long. I don't know why so many of you got so riled up over something so trivial, especially when it wasn't even supposed to be confrontational in the first place.

So we can all sit here and keep telling me I have a bad attitude and I am not cut out for ATC, or we can just stop harping on this and get over it. I guess next time I will be sure not to have an opinion that disagrees with a lot of regulars, and I don't dare joke around afterward! :)
 
ChasenSFO said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Can I get that on a Hallmark card?

I was laughing out loud from that kid's first post, what in the hell?! LOL! Yeah, back when I was a ramper, we used to huddle in the break room and talk about how it was BS we made $12-13 when the some of the pilots were making $30 or better! I marshal the plane in, they steer the nosewheel on the line. Sounds like grounds for equal compensation to me, who the hell do these pilots think they are, airlines are meant to be a communist state.

@jayd1038 you're getting your CTI, I get that, but do you understand what ATC is really like? Have you toured any facilities? The attitude you're displaying on this forum is one of someone no controller would want to work with. Seriously. Just in my ramp tower, we had a guy with a CTI degree who had never worked airline ops come up to interview where he was shown both sides of what we do(ramp control AND managing all the terminal screens/gates/baggage claims, ect). After a 10 minute or so overview from my boss, the kid is asked what questions he has for myself or my coworker. He very smugly says "No, it's pretty simple, I get it all I went to school for this". I whipped around in my chair so fast and hit him with "Oh really? You get everything? Want my chair?". Needless to say, this guy not only didn't get hired, and laughed out of the tower, but became a running joke up here. How do you think the FAA controllers would respond to something like that? A know-it-all attitude will get you NOWHERE in aviation. Nor will a sense of entitlement. My advice to you is to stop posting, do a lot of reading on these forums, and contribute where you actually can or have questions rather than strongly opinionated posts on subjects you really have no business discussing. I know @ATN_Pilot has his enemies on this forum, but I think we can all agree that joining these forums guns blazing picking a fight with an established member and ALPA rep isn't going to win you anyone's respect. This site is a great tool for networking, but it can just as quickly blow up in your face. Be careful, and hopefully you learn a lot here.
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jayd1038 said:
No, it was just that the FAA made CTI essentially worthless since they opened it up so anyone can apply. Then to boot, they give some horse crap biographical questionnaire with no rhyme or reason to it and nobody knows why someone passes and someone doesn't. So essentially people who trained in college for it and at least have a solid leg up on people with no knowledge of it, got screwed over since they don't take into consideration if you were CTI or not.

I'm not going to bother with this anymore, this whole thing has drug out far too long. I don't know why so many of you got so riled up over something so trivial, especially when it wasn't even supposed to be confrontational in the first place.

So we can all sit here and keep telling me I have a bad attitude and I am not cut out for ATC, or we can just stop harping on this and get over it. I guess next time I will be sure not to have an opinion that disagrees with a lot of regulars, and I don't dare joke around afterward! :)
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Well, if there's anything I've learned about adult life, it's that sometimes, it's not what you say or even how you say it. It's that you're gonna lose the argument, right or wrong. Peeps will remember more about how you handled it than who knew more or who argued more effectively. Add the fact that this is the internet. You can't show your disposition, so that's a wash there. Best thing to do is say "good game", shake hands, and head for the nearest watering hole.
 
jayd1038 said:
No, it was just that the FAA made CTI essentially worthless since they opened it up so anyone can apply.
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Being as aware as you claim to be with FAA ATC, you should know the PUBNATs have been going on for years now and the FAA didn't just suddenly and recently start accepting applicants with no CTI. I agree that with hiring the way it is now, the CTI isn't nearly as advantageous as it once may have been, but get your facts straight before calling it quits.

jayd1038 said:
My attitude is fine, and look at any other thread I've posted in and you'd see that.
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Uh huh. Good luck in life, I gave you my advice, so have others, do what you will with it.
 
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