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Dude's got 15,566 posts more than you do. This is not the first time his posts have gotten someone on here worked up, but the difference is that he didn't come barreling into a thread on the Airline Pilots forum bellowing about how Airline Pilots don't deserve the flight benefits they've worked hard for, while citing somebody's friend's dad who's a pilot as a source. Come on man. I'm sure you've figured out a lot since last Thursday, but how to be a commuting airline pilot isn't one of those things.
 
jayd1038 said:
Haha wow, you are clueless aren't you? Do you really think that your job would be anything like it is without those guys who load the planes, deals with reservations etc etc? The pilots need those people just as much as those people need the pilots.

Nobody is saying the salary should be comparable, and they aren't one bit. Yes pilots in regionals and below get shafted in pay, but those that work for the big guys make damn good money. Part of the recent the flight benefits exist for both is because it's an incentive for people to stick with being a ramp agent, ticket agent etc. Had everyone quit and decided to become a pilot, down goes pilot wages, down goes job availability etc. So be glad some people choose not to be a pilot you self-entitled jerk.
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The issue I guess I'm having with your posts (and others in this thread) is that it's being touted that a ramp/station job is a LifeChoice™, and that we should all sing Kumbaya and respect that others "decided" not to go for the job that requires a lot more time, money, and dedication to get.

I don't think I'm a better person at all, and I don't think anyone else is beneath me. I just assert that I worked a lot harder to get my pilot job, and the compensation and perks should be appropriate to that. Ramp/station jobs are entry-level; window seats up front are not, and I feel non-rev priority should reflect that. I say that if you want higher priority, come and get it. That's what we did.
 
dasleben said:
The issue I guess I'm having with your posts (and others in this thread) is that it's being touted that a ramp/station job is a LifeChoice™, and that we should all sing Kumbaya and respect that others "decided" not to go for the job that requires a lot more time, money, and dedication to get.

I don't think I'm a better person at all, and I don't think anyone else is beneath me. I just assert that I worked a lot harder to get my pilot job, and the compensation and perks should be appropriate to that. Ramp/station jobs are entry-level; window seats up front are not, and I feel non-rev priority should reflect that. I say that if you want higher priority, come and get it. That's what we did.
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What airline gives higher non-rev priority for pilots? All airlines I've heard of give the same hire date travel benefit at the appropriate travel privilege. Eg, a pilot hired Jan 20 2010 would be the same S3 travel as a station agent hired Jan 20 2010 at the S3 travel.
 
j4seymor said:
Dude's got 15,566 posts more than you do. This is not the first time his posts have gotten someone on here worked up, but the difference is that he didn't come barreling into a thread on the Airline Pilots forum bellowing about how Airline Pilots don't deserve the flight benefits they've worked hard for, while citing somebody's friend's dad who's a pilot as a source. Come on man. I'm sure you've figured out a lot since last Thursday, but how to be a commuting airline pilot isn't one of those things.
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I don't care if he has 1million posts, I admittedly came off too strong in my initial post, but a few minutes later I posted again saying it wasn't meant to be in anger or confrontational and my bad. Nowhere did I ever mention Pilots don't deserve the benefits.

There's a difference between rationally disagreeing and shear rudeness and bashing. It was he who turned it up to level 5 not me. None of it are excuses for him to act like he is so mighty nor sit there and wish bad outcome to me in my career essentially. It's a mark of a complete self-entitled asshat.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
What airline gives higher non-rev priority for pilots? All airlines I've heard of give the same hire date travel benefit at the appropriate travel privilege. Eg, a pilot hired Jan 20 2010 would be the same S3 travel as a station agent hired Jan 20 2010 at the S3 travel.
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I wouldn't know anything about that anymore (I don't work for a big network carrier), but just posting my opinion. In jumpseat priority, pilots trump dispatchers and non-working mechanics, for example.
 
dasleben said:
The issue I guess I'm having with your posts (and others in this thread) is that it's being touted that a ramp/station job is a LifeChoice™, and that we should all sing Kumbaya and respect that others "decided" not to go for the job that requires a lot more time, money, and dedication to get.

I don't think I'm a better person at all, and I don't think anyone else is beneath me. I just assert that I worked a lot harder to get my pilot job, and the compensation and perks should be appropriate to that. Ramp/station jobs are entry-level; window seats up front are not, and I feel non-rev priority should reflect that. I say that if you want higher priority, come and get it. That's what we did.
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That's fine and dandy, disagreeing and all is fine. I do not appreciate stuff like this though that was said to me:

"Are you f'n kidding me? If you want the flight benefits, you know how to get them. It starts with about a $150k investment into your education and training. What, don't want to do that? Then stop bitching about our "free" flights."

I swear, sometimes people make me want to punch a baby seal.

"Sounds like the FAA's screening process is doing a good job of weeding out the bad apples. I'll have to send them a thank you note for that."

So he comes at me all ticked off, and then later insults me on my past, and still maybe future career ambitions. Of course I am not going to react kindly to that.

Had I said "Oh you never made it to a legacy carrier, good thing they didn't take wastes like you, I may write them a thank you note" it would be considered shear blasphemy.
 
dasleben said:
I wouldn't know anything about that anymore (I don't work for a big network carrier), but just posting my opinion. In jumpseat priority, pilots trump dispatchers and non-working mechanics, for example.
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Oh ok, before the topic was on travel benefits because you said:

"Ramp/station jobs are entry-level; window seats up front are not, and I feel non-rev priority should reflect that."

Jumpseating is a different story and yes pilots get priority - as they should. Unless SS or a Fed shows up.
 
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jayd1038 said:
Had I said "Oh you never made it to a legacy carrier, good thing they didn't take wastes like you, I may write them a thank you note" it would be considered shear blasphemy.
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Call me crazy but AirTran seemed like a great place to be. Its not all about making it to a Legacy.
 
m77y said:
Call me crazy but AirTran seemed like a great place to be. Its not all about making it to a Legacy.
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Never rode them before the assimilation, but it seemed like it was a plucky little outfit. I like plucky little outfits.
 
m77y said:
Call me crazy but AirTran seemed like a great place to be. Its not all about making it to a Legacy.
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+1

I rode on them many times with their X-fare program which was for college students between 18-22 yrs old that could basically pay 50 dollars at the checkin counter and ride if there was a seat available. I wanted to work at Airtran but alas it was note meant to be. One door that never had a chance of opening meant there were several others and eventually one would open.
 
jayd1038 said:
That's fine and dandy, disagreeing and all is fine. I do not appreciate stuff like this though that was said to me:

"Are you f'n kidding me? If you want the flight benefits, you know how to get them. It starts with about a $150k investment into your education and training. What, don't want to do that? Then stop bitching about our "free" flights."

I swear, sometimes people make me want to punch a baby seal.

"Sounds like the FAA's screening process is doing a good job of weeding out the bad apples. I'll have to send them a thank you note for that."

So he comes at me all ticked off, and then later insults me on my past, and still maybe future career ambitions. Of course I am not going to react kindly to that.

Had I said "Oh you never made it to a legacy carrier, good thing they didn't take wastes like you, I may write them a thank you note" it would be considered shear blasphemy.
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The thing is, he never took what you said personally. You, on the other hand, took what he said very personally. It's rare I'd ever call Todd out for "playing the adult", but in this situation he kind of did.
 
Adler said:
There's a large group of kids from college who did nothing with themselves and now just work the ramp. Laziness gets them 1st class while pilots are stuck in cattle class.
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Wow. Have some respect for people who do such a thankless job, instead of sitting in their ass collecting a welfare check. They're part of the team, man.

I know a guy who's been a ramper at American for 25+ years. Extremely intelligent guy with an economics degree, who is also a part time corporate pilot. He started in college and never found a job with better pay, qol, or flight benefits. He's a ramp supervisor and makes a good amount of coin. I think he's got it figured out.
 
BobDDuck said:
The thing is, he never took what you said personally. You, on the other hand, took what he said very personally. It's rare I'd ever call Todd out for "playing the adult", but in this situation he kind of did.
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I mean. We call him Toddler for a reason. Right?

ATN_Pilot said:
Good for him. Seriously. But it doesn't make his job equal to ours.
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It's a team effort. He'll get a cabin seat before me, and that's fine-- those are the pass rules. He won't get the flight deck jump seat though.
 
queeno said:
stay out of ATC till you grow a thicker skin skippy, I guess they didn't teach that to you in your I just pissed a load of money down the CTI toilet school.
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Same can be said to quite a few disgruntled old men on here too with their flight training ;)
 
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