scooter2525
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Can we get the business stuff moved to the mind numbing topics?
No more Brasilias at SkyWest...
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Exactly!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Only if I can get all of the "my regional is better than your regional" crap moved there, too.
cactusjuba
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Shoot this thread down, its been hijacked by thread terrorists! 
How about starting up a new thread? Better yet, ATN_Pilot carry on these ideological viewpoints in private conversations...
How about starting up a new thread? Better yet, ATN_Pilot carry on these ideological viewpoints in private conversations...
scooter2525
Very well Member
Define "my regional" because as far as i can tell...
Does it happen that people can't pass upgrade?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Oh yeah.
PhilosopherPilot
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Understood. We had moved on to a conversation about companies in general, not just airlines.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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It's the same idea. Works good, lasts long time.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Yes. Some folks aren't meant to be captains.
Are these people then fired for non-progression? Because it would seem they are a stagnant employee and not one excelling in their craft.
milleR
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I'm genuinely interested to see if you hold the same opinion towards private industry as a business owner in five years.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Are these people then fired for non-progression? Because it would seem they are a stagnant employee and not one excelling in their craft.
Depends. SWA used to have an "up or out" policy, and yes, you were gone. That's been gone for a little while now, though. Most airlines give you either 2 or 3 chances. They'll generally let you stay in the right seat indefinitely, though, which I always found odd. Seems to me that it would be just as big of a legal and PR liability following an accident.
I have always wondered that, regarding up or out. For the specific reasons you mention in your last sentence there. Maybe someone is a great FO, but wouldn't make a good Captain; but try explaning that logic come accident/incident time to the Feds, public, etc. It would be a very difficult legal/PR position to be in, I would think.
DE727UPS
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Not everyone wants to be a Capt though they could pass the training. Where I work a 15 year F/O makes 200K. It's not worth it to many to give up the senior schedules to be in the left seat. Had the planets aligned a little different I'd stayed as an F/O myself. I don't understand the argument for up or out.
PhilosopherPilot
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Me either. Both are perfectly respectable positions. There's no shame in being an FO. Up or out is a vestige from the old school when first officer or copilot meant you weren't as qualified or experienced as the captain. These days the FO may very well be more experienced and/or qualified than the captain.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I'm not in favor of up-or-out. But I do think that if you bid to upgrade a couple of times and fail it both times, it's probably time for you to find another line of work
I can understand a choice of not wanting to, for whatever reasons. I was more referring to the guy who wants to, but can't pass the upgrade or fails the checks, etc. Then has to remain an FO. Is that something that the company looks at negatively or does it have a negative impact on the persons professional career there?
PhilosopherPilot
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That's different. If you try and fail a few times you need to go. If you never try but can pass recurrent you get to stay.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
I don't buy it. Especially now that everyone is typed. Lousy first officers will make lousy captains someday, and since upgrade is essentially fait accompli given sufficient time, well, you can see where that line of logic is going. It bothers me.
We had up or out for a long time; we no longer do, but if you bust enough transitions or upgrades you get frozen on your current seat for the remainder of your time at the Company. The specific details of the policy escape me.
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