No gate, no APU
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exneophyte
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Would it be too unorthodox to let the FA & co-pilot out to be wing walkers? Solves the wing walker issue, but probably would still catch flak.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Yeah, way too unorthodox.
I'd park the airplane without wing walkers before letting a crewmember leave.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Neither are trained, and even if it's legal to taxi the jet single-pilot (though would no doubt get you in hot water with the chief pilot's office), it's not legal to leave passengers onboard without the FA.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
And not just "the FA" but the minimum complement of flight attendants necessary for the aircraft, not that I've read a nastygram on that topic recently.
Unfortunately, you're screwed in the above scenario, beyond constantly berating your ops/ramp people. I'd go somewhere, stand the thrust levers up so that the packs are working, and wait.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
All fleets.Is that for the new EMB-120ER?
Sometimes the station has the opposite problem of OP's post, gets in a hurry, and will shove the people into the tube before the crew is there.Very occasionally passengers are boarded on an aircraft in which no crew are present. At Eagle I walked down the jetway once to find 8 people on a dark RJ once. "Hey uh, so, uh, where are you guys going? Oh. The other aircraft is what you want, have a nice day." Sort of freaky, really—enter airplane, turn to flight deck, feel like someone's watching—HEY!
All fleets.
Very occasionally passengers are boarded on an aircraft in which no crew are present. At Eagle I walked down the jetway once to find 8 people on a dark RJ once. "Hey uh, so, uh, where are you guys going? Oh. The other aircraft is what you want, have a nice day." Sort of freaky, really—enter airplane, turn to flight deck, feel like someone's watching—HEY!
Holy crap man, the Feds would kick your ass. Write that stuff up.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Ironically, I got a response to an ASAP at Eagle, but I can't view it because the AMR IDM people turned off my access to all that stuff.
It bugs the crap out of me. I understand wanting to be out on time, but you still have to comply with the law of the land...rest assured, they were deplaned.
Pilotforhire587
Lycra Man
Here's a question. Remember Jet Blue in BDL last year? What would you have done in that situation. I would have seriously contemplated calling airport police to get a hard stand and get the people off. You start to back yourself into a corner after that length of time, no food or water, packed aircraft, limited fuel. I can't imagine that Jet Blue would have been more upset to repack a slide and air canister and have an aircraft grounded in BDL for a day, wasn't going anywhere due to the blizzard in the first place, rather than pay hundreds of thousands in federal fines for having passengers sit on an aircraft that long.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
All fleets.
Very occasionally passengers are boarded on an aircraft in which no crew are present. At Eagle I walked down the jetway once to find 8 people on a dark RJ once. "Hey uh, so, uh, where are you guys going? Oh. The other aircraft is what you want, have a nice day." Sort of freaky, really—enter airplane, turn to flight deck, feel like someone's watching—HEY!
Had that happen in ATL once. Was 95+ degrees and the airplane was dark and these people didn't think it was strange at all to be sitting in their seats waiting.
fbm2009
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I was stuck as a passenger in a similar situation. I kept myself sane because while I was sitting at the gate prior to boarding several hours earlier, I saw them load up a tank with "Live Lobsters" written in big black lettering.
Any longer sitting out there, free lunch everybody!
Any longer sitting out there, free lunch everybody!
Screaming_Eagle_ATC
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Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Incidentally, it is probably the most orderly boarding that was ever witnessed, no?
N519AT
Ahh! This is how I change this!
Another thing to consider: when an aircraft is evacuated and slides are used, there is almost always 3-4 injuries. They're almost always leg/ankle related.
Agreed though, it's a very tough situation to be in and I don't think that theres just one right answer.
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Krystal
Dispatch Betty
According to Romney, that should be an OBVIOUS ammenity!
z987k
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Yep.
Tommay85
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Legal matters aside, this should be doable, minus the millimeters part. I don't see any spacial judgement issues with pulling your own plane into a gate area if it's clear. Not that it'd do any good without someone there to move the jetway up to the plane!
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
You can't see the wingtips on a lot of jets, for starters.Legal matters aside, this should be doable, minus the millimeters part. I don't see any spacial judgement issues with pulling your own plane into a gate area if it's clear. Not that it'd do any good without someone there to move the jetway up to the plane!
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