Next Up in the RLA Conga Line
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ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
I am not surprised.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
If I’m angry why do you always get so upset?
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Not angry. Reacting because you’re blaming me along with 82% others. Apparently my “poor understanding of the world and most importantly their fear, drives a decision that negatively affects me.”
I know you used to be a Corpie so this is new for you, but ALPA has an EFA team. Why don’t you look at their presentation in regards to the AS TA. My opinions were based on SMEs on the economy, financial health, and environment.
The angry 18% just want to throw down what Delta gets to AS mgt and say “sign this, please!”
That’s not how the real world works.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
“Established medical freedom protections”
Why do I have a feeling this means no employer forced pandemic vax?
Why do I have a feeling this means no employer forced pandemic vax?
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BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
No. You keep putting words in my mouth. Angrily putting words in my mouth and calling me angry, sigh.
I was saying this long before the Widget pilots got the first peek at their deal.
Specifically: those with extremely conservative financial values were extremely loud and vocal (ahem angry) on the Alyeska forum. The buy gold, build a bunker, “those libs are running the country into the ground” types viciously controlled the narrative during the voting period. In fact they are still saying it now. Promising that their amazing insight into “the economy” will hold true if just given another 6 months. Which is quite a change from “we won’t ever get a deal this good again because the economy is already collapsing.”
I grew up with a relative who made extremely poor investment decisions on gloom and doom. I watched it basically ruin a family’s economic future. Now I’m watching my coworkers do it to me.
Primarily because they can’t admit they were wrong. Next time we vote I guarantee we will be facing someone’s FOX news laden diatribe about printing money eclipse the well founded facts about the pilot market and seating capacity vs demand in the domestic US travel market.
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Jimmy_Norton
Well-Known Member
I think you said the same thing about the UAL AIP…..soooo……
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Did not, in fact.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Alyeska, like APC, is a handful of your same vocal ~30 guys on both sides. The pro voices were just as loud as the anti voices. If you are pissed at your coworkers, then just leave. Make yourself happy at a place like Delta.
I like how you conveniently left out my part on ALPA’s EFA team who literally are SMEs on things like the economic conditions today and expected to be in the future. That’s their job.
In the end, you are acting emotionally. The rest of us looked at the overall package and listened to the EFA team.
Flyinthrew
Well-Known Member
I feel pretty safe saying this here-The vast majority of those who are vehement auto-NOs after a single Negotiator's Notepad email at 9pm on a Friday night, are miserable SOBs who will die angry and unfulfilled. Get a grip. You know like 8% about what's in the contract.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Yeah when you quote me and then assert something that I am not or something that I’m not saying I just try and correct that.
I don’t recall getting specific economic advice from ALPA. I listened to all of the podcasts but I was out on vacation so I couldn’t attend a road show. There were no podcasts about the economic future. Nor were there any briefings, that I am aware of. Furthermore I’d be surprised if this kind of economic advice was provided. It’s going out on a limb pretty far. With a real risk that the guidance would be incorrect. Which I’m assuming to be the case?
And so the cycle begins again: I’m not acting emotionally I’m hoping that pilots will learn to stay in their lane and educate themselves on the state of the 121 industry, specifically the changing landscape of pilot demand.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Thank you, Mr. Relatively newbie to 121 on the advice to educate myself on the state of the 121 industry. This maybe come as a shock, but some have been doing 121 longer than you and have been though a lotta changing landscape/difficulties.
The EFA presentation was on some roadshows.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Wow, even DailyMail got in on the Delta AIP action...
www.dailymail.co.uk
But this graphic isn't accurate:
Delta Airline pilots to receive 34% raise amid ticket price surge fear
Delta Airline pilots can expect a hefty pay rise of 34 percent over the next three years, amid fears that the push for better pay and benefits will be felt among customers through higher priced tickets.
But this graphic isn't accurate:
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Glad I'm not flying for at least another week, let some of the steam settle first from these types.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
I was gone the entire voting period at my shop and still consider it the best and one of the few good things that have happened during my career.
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bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Hopefully you were braaaapin' and smilin'
Aroo? I've only been rerouted maybe twice in the last decade AND got paid appropriately for it.
Not necessarily. Some of those guys are no votes “just because.” They won’t even look at the contract. But they’ll happily cash their new paycheck knowing the other 90% of the pilot group is rational folks.